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Post05-07-2012, 18:02    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

Today, I replaced the fuel injectors on my AHF 110hp engine because of excessive soot during acceleration and a slightly rough engine running.
Now it's only running on 3 cylinders.
In the corresponding engine test, I measured the following: cylinder 1 showed 1.88 mg/H, cylinders 2 and 3 showed approximately 0.13 mg/H, and cylinder 4 showed -1.88 mg/H.

I took the nozzles from cylinders 1 and 4 out again and inspected them, but I couldn't find anything wrong.

What could I have done wrong here, or what else can I do to troubleshoot the problem?
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Post05-07-2012, 19:03    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

Hi Klaui! icon_wink.gif

Just swap ESD1 with ESD2 for now, and then check the status of the LLRR again.
If the error migrates, the "new" ESD is faulty - it's that simple icon_wink.gif.

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Post05-07-2012, 19:38    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

Yes, that was my next step as well.
What kind of defects could occur in a nozzle during a replacement process?
Cleanliness was a priority, and I've done this more than once.
Original nozzles were installed.

Okay, just to understand, how can I tell in a VCDS reading which cylinder is cylinder number 1 or 4?
I would have said that cylinder 4 has a problem because of the minus sign in front of it.

Edit: To avoid any misunderstandings, only the nozzle tips were replaced.
Düsenstock is the older one.
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Post05-07-2012, 20:07    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

And did the nozzle technician have a complete set of nozzle components, and did he pressure-test all the nozzles and adjust them to a uniform pressure for the start of the spraying process?
I had something similar done before, but I included the entire set of tablets.

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Post05-07-2012, 20:14    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

klahaui wrote:
... I would have said that cylinder 4 has a problem because of the minus sign in front of it. ...

Unfortunately, wrong - at least fundamentally icon_wink.gif.

For proper functionality, the error lies in the area where the "MStG" (presumably a software or system component) needs to be adjusted or calibrated.
If, for example, the opening pressure is much too low, then an unintendedly larger amount of fuel will enter the cylinder, so the fuel tax law (MStG) would then have to adjust accordingly; however, this is not the usual case.

Swap the ESDs (Electrostatic Discharge devices) and, if the fault follows one of them, I would recommend returning all four for repair or replacement.

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Post05-07-2012, 20:43    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

You know how it is when you do things yourself icon_smile.gif.
I've always had prints taken before, and they've always matched.
So, this time I changed all 4 myself icon_rolleyes.gif.
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Post06-07-2012, 11:34    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

Problem solved.

It was actually one of the new nozzles that was defective. When I disassembled it again, I noticed that the "pin" or "needle" inside the nozzle wasn't coming out, unlike the others.
I installed an old one, and it's working again.
I'll have a new one sent to me, and next week I'll check all the prints to see if at least level 1 is okay.

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Post06-07-2012, 12:24    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

Hi Klaui! icon_wink.gif

Always have ESD tip replacements icon_exclaim.gif pressed and adjusted.
...is more important than the spray pattern icon_wink.gif.

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Post06-07-2012, 12:46    Subject: A3 AHF, only 3 cylinders after turbocharger replacement Quote

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Always have ESD top caps replaced and adjusted icon_exclaim.gif.
...is more important than the spray pattern
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You can usually tell right away if the spray pattern isn't correct.
I once received the wrong nozzle for a stationary engine. If I had installed it without checking, it would have only been a matter of time before the engine suffered damage.
Why? - Angle of incidence or... The installation angle did not match the piston recess.
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