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Post13-09-2010, 11:34    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

Hi.

Short question: how are the TSIs related to each other?

1.4, 125 kW.
1.4L, 103 kW - detuned.

1.4, 90 kW - turbo only - compressor removed.
1.4L, 118 kW - ?? Software revised from the 1.25L model?

1.2, 77 kW - reduced to 90 kW.

The origin of the currently available 118 kW TSI engine is somewhat unclear.

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Post13-09-2010, 12:56    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

In my opinion, the 1.2 model isn't just a downgrade; if I remember correctly, it's manufactured by the Czechs using the latest findings in production optimization, meaning: as cheaply as possible.

The 1.2-liter engine is available in two power levels: 86 and 105 horsepower.

Let's try using the German Classification of Occupations (MKB) as an example.

63kW CBZA (86 hp entry-level model)
77KW CBZB
--> Same family.

90KW CAXA (not CABA - martin)
--> only Turbo

118kW CAVD
132kW CAVE (the 180 horsepower GTI models).
--> Apparently related.


103kW BMY.
125kW BLG.
--> the OLD Euro 4 models???


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Post13-09-2010, 13:18    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

Thank you.

Der 90 kW heisst CAXA (s. SSP 405).
I've edited it above.

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Post13-09-2010, 13:21    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

Oops, you're right... I actually own one myself. How could this have happened?


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Post13-09-2010, 13:33    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

CAXA is expected to arrive in 2 weeks, and CAVD will arrive a month later.

That's why I'm asking these questions.
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Post13-09-2010, 14:24    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

"Just tinkering around won't achieve anything; I don't know much, but: At first glance, instead of a water/air intercooler, there's an air/air intercooler, the entire compressor system is different, and the turbocharger is connected in a completely different way."

And if my memory of the MTZ article serves me correctly, they installed different pistons due to the different thermal loads... I might be able to look it up.


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Post13-09-2010, 14:28    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

???

I don't want to change CAXA to CAVD.
"The grandfathers" ordered the boxes... and I now always buy things like the Cargonizer in packs of two.

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Post13-09-2010, 14:41    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

But the MKB doesn't care about that...icon_smile.gif


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Post13-09-2010, 14:52    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

But I need to provide support.

The 118kW station is 14km away, so it's possible to go there.
The 90 kW system will then be remotely maintained via the internet.

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Post13-09-2010, 15:29    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

Okay, I'm still not managing to drive the CAXA as fuel-efficiently as I'd like. I've taken it to work twice, and when I drive it the same way I drive my Golf, it uses about 1.4 liters more per trip. However, that's still better than the manufacturer's stated fuel consumption. Surprisingly, the engine takes an incredibly long time to warm up. Thanks to the oil temperature gauge, I only saw 72 degrees after driving for 25 kilometers at a steady pace, with an outside temperature of 14 degrees.

Otherwise, I can only say: beautiful engine, pulls well at low RPM, is surprisingly powerful in the mid-range, but very restrained at high RPM (but I avoid that range anyway)... and incredibly quiet icon_smile.gif...


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Post13-09-2010, 15:32    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

Quote:
and incredibly quiet
.

Then try doing a full-extension kick (with a DSG - presumably referring to a specific type of kick or technique).
Then it sounds more like a double-turbine icon_smile.gif.

Sure, it's rare, but I've experienced it: the turbo roars, the blow-off valve hisses, the tachometer acts like a windshield wiper... and the DSG smooths it all out again, and you don't have to worry about anything icon_smile.gif.

Only 12 days left...

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Post13-09-2010, 15:34    Subject: TSI Engines: Specs, Problems & Solutions Quote

dieselmartin wrote:

1.2, 77 kW - downsized to 90 kW

A friction-optimized 2-valve engine with swirl combustion technology weighs 24.5 kg less, with -14.5 kg of that weight reduction attributed to the engine block. Its base is actually the 90 kW engine. However, the 1.2-liter engine also has a water-cooled turbocharger.

The 90 kW version is derived from the 118 kW version, with the differences being the removal of the compressor and a smaller turbocharger. Otherwise, I haven't been able to find much information about the 118 kW version.

The older 103 kW and 125 kW engines were closely related, with the 125 kW engine being designed for 98 octane fuel in its software. Both engines were mechanically identical.
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Post13-09-2010, 20:14    Subject: TSI Family: Meaning, Types & Benefits Quote

"By 'LLK difference', I meant the difference between a 118 kW engine and a 90 kW engine. Both the 1.2-liter engines have the water-air intercooler."


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