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Post24-12-2003, 3:31    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote

Hello,

I found this auction while browsing on eBay (number 2449726197).
Don't worry, I'm definitely not interested, but don't you think they're giving AFN a little too much credit? 100,000 km with 194 hp and 400 Nm?
'I don't have to worry about that at all, with only 173,000 km on the odometer!' icon_twisted.gif

Merry holidays and a happy New Year!
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Post24-12-2003, 14:25    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote

Hello.

I've also noticed this. If the engine is original, it probably won't last long when used without a head. However, I think that if the engine was properly built, it's not that unrealistic. See VW Motorsport. They also have one of those AFNs.
I only know that the pump is modified (presumably with a larger piston?), the large injectors, the VNT 17 (or even VNT20) turbocharger, and that the engine also has a thick LLK (presumably referring to a larger intercooler). I don't know what has been done to the bearings. The clutch should also not be the original one. That's where I'm already having problems.

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Post25-12-2003, 0:02    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote

Nonsense!! I've known about the Golf since 1999. It has been on the Rothe homepage ever since. We have also discussed this in the first forum.

Regarding the topic, the guy writes pretty much everything he has ever associated with TDI Tuning in the text. icon_rolleyes.gif

Hier nochmal der Text:

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Hello. You are bidding on an absolute prototype from Rothe Motorsport. More information is also available on their homepage! Now, about the engine: Original 110hp TDI engine (AFN) from a 3-series TDI Edition. The engine was completely rebuilt and upgraded for performance by Rothe in February/March. Since then, it has only been run for 3,000 km (race car). According to the power chart, it produces 194hp and 404Nm!!!! Only the engine block is original, but it has been measured with a laser for possible defects! (This would still allow for further performance upgrades - then you would have around 230hp!). Furthermore, cylinder head machining (now runs up to around 5500 rpm), conversion of the original turbocharger (larger impeller, motorsport bearings, etc.). (Compressor, exhaust manifold adjusted), modified intake from turbo (aluminum, larger), large intercooler, 53mm downpipes, distributor pump optimization, additional fuel pump, ECU optimization, boost pressure up to 1.4 bar. The engine was designed for absolute durability. Rothe offers a 1-year or 100,000 km warranty!!! The engine was only run with Castrol RS 10W/60! The conversion is worth approximately €8,000!!!!! Of course, everything with a receipt!!!! Various pipes are polished (see picture). The following items are now available: engine, turbo, manifold, intake, fuel pumps, ECU, exhaust pipe up to the catalytic converter. From a bid of over 5,000 [currency symbol], the gearbox is also included (in excellent condition), and from 5,500 [currency symbol], you get everything you need to convert to this engine (radiator, water hoses, various vacuum hoses, wiring harness, fuel tank, alternator, also air conditioning compressor, air conditioning radiator and various air conditioning hoses, etc.). The LLK (presumably referring to a specific component) is not part of the auction, as it needs to be individually adapted to each car (in my car, the bumpers and... Grill is cut!)- the one for the 2er G60 would probably fit best!


Just think for yourself, what nonsense he is writing.
5500 U/Min ...
1.4 Bar and 190 PS ...
Additional fuel pump ???
originaler Block -> Laser measurement ??? What does that have to do with 230 horsepower?
230PS are NEVER possible with the standard crankshaft and NEVER at 1.4 bar.
the turbo ...
...

If I were to read something like that! icon_twisted.gif
There are so many numbers and expressions being thrown around, it's just overwhelming!
190 horsepower and 53354756476 Nm of torque from an AJM engine, 190 horsepower and 404 Nm of torque from an AFN engine...
... never before has tuning been this easy. icon_wink.gif

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Thomas
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Golf 3 TDI AFN Bj. 1997 -verkauft
Audi S2 ADU Bj. 1993
Polo 86c 2F 1W Bj. 1994 - verkauft
Audi A3 TDI ASZ Bj. 2001
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Post25-12-2003, 1:34    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote

I have to agree with you. Some things just don't quite fit together.
He has a bit overdone it.

Nevertheless, it is probably possible to achieve this performance with an AFN. Rothe doesn't have such a bad reputation, especially with turbo engines. However, Rothe doesn't overstate the capabilities of this engine on the website. Do they not write much about the renovation/business secrets?

'It seems like all of this is taking a toll on this type of engine. It's better to sell the engine by giving the layman a misleading explanation. However, this doesn't seem to be working, because that person had the same engine in another auction last week.' Or did he use it to fill the cellar?
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Post25-12-2003, 10:34    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote



If I were to read something like that! icon_twisted.gif
There are so many numbers and expressions being thrown around, it's just overwhelming!
190 horsepower and 53354756476 Nm of torque from an AJM engine, 190 horsepower and 404 Nm of torque from an AFN engine...
... never before has tuning been this easy. icon_wink.gif

Greetings
Thomas

Deswegen verklingert er auch bei eBay. Andernorts bekommt man seinen MĂŒll aber nicht so leicht los! Der Leser/KĂ€ufer denkt: Wahnsinn, was fĂŒr ein SchnĂ€ppchen, und der VerkĂ€ufer lacht sich ins FĂ€ustchen.
It's sad to see what people are doing there to make money these days without any ethics!
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Post25-12-2003, 12:51    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote

Hi,

I don't see any other way.

I contacted Roth in the spring of 2001 to request a quote for the cost and scope of such a renovation. They basically all told the same lies.
Special turbochargers from motorsports, optimized fuel pump... this could be overwhelming.

Back then, I unfortunately deleted this email... icon_question.gif or it might have been lost due to a computer crash icon_question.gif... I don't remember, anyway, there wasn't anything useful in it. But that wasn't much better than the weather story.

Really poor.

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Therefore, it sells easily on eBay. Elsewhere, you can't get rid of your junk so easily! The reader/buyer thinks: "Wow, what a bargain!" and the seller laughs all the way to the bank.
is already sad, what one can actually earn there without having to be a complete idiot!


People aren't that stupid either. A friend just told me that he also sees this Golf regularly in offers in various tuning magazines and not just since yesterday. Apparently, he's still using it. Maybe it would have worked out better with honesty...

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Nevertheless, it is probably possible to achieve this performance with an AFN. Rothe doesn't have such a bad reputation, especially with turbocharged engines. However, Rothe doesn't overstate the capabilities of this engine on the website. Do they not write much about the renovation/business secrets?


It is possible to achieve this power output permanently from the engine, but this requires an effort that is similar to developing a new engine. With a VNT15, regardless of how it has been modified, this is not possible. Besides the fact that a new, larger turbocharger would be significantly more cost-effective. icon_rolleyes.gif

At the AFN, almost nothing is designed for this level of performance. If you want to know what needs to be changed to achieve these performance levels, take a look at [url]www.all4tdi.de [/url]. The real problem is not achieving performance with air and fuel injection. Maintaining the fun is much more difficult.

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Audi S2 ADU Bj. 1993
Polo 86c 2F 1W Bj. 1994 - verkauft
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Post25-12-2003, 20:45    Subject: Diesel Tuning Extreme Quote

Hey Thomas...

...you forgot about the laser measurement...that makes the device practically indestructible...I'm also currently considering expanding the block and having it measured out during the holidays. Ask me what I'll do if the results aren't good... maybe I'll get a different block and suddenly the car has 40 more horsepower (it was laser-measured at 190 hp with a different block, 230).

Well, whoever buys a car on eBay usually also has more serious problems. Whoever sells a car on eBay knows that they can win over the buyer with the right wording, who definitely wants to be cheated, and they willingly give the money!
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