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Post19-09-2003, 20:42    Subject: Quote

Oh man, I totally misunderstood that! / Oh man, I completely misinterpreted that!

I read '3 meters' icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif.

Regarding water damage: Throughout the history of automobiles, there have been numerous instances where experts drove onto ice and broke through. If the engine was idling at that moment, it could quickly come to a standstill. But as I said, I've never heard any reports about the effects of water damage.

@olaf: Sorry about the '3 meters.' What isn't, can still be - just kidding. icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif


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Post19-09-2003, 20:49    Subject: Quote

ideeAlist wrote:
I read "
3 Meters"icon_lol.gif.

Sure, 3 meters... Side by side, buddy! icon_lol.gif }
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Post19-09-2003, 21:20    Subject: Quote

Hi,

due to water damage... it probably doesn't matter whether the water is being sucked in or coming from the cooling system, and something should definitely be found for the latter, because that's much more likely.

For example, there were once ideas along these lines.

/viewtopic.php?t=235&highlight=water damage

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Post19-09-2003, 21:50    Subject: Quote

'Wow, Diesel-Dirk (see link) had some really bad luck with hydrolock. Probably, the engine initially only got a small amount of water in it, which partially evaporated? Because of the steam, there was no more combustion – the engine stopped. Then, when he tried to start it again, the engine immediately sucked in the full amount of water and seized up. Speculation, but possible.'

It's funny that some people even intentionally drive amphibious vehicles icon_wink.gif.

To stay on topic: Perhaps we could design an Excel chart that correlates mileage with the first major defect typical of diesel engines.

For example: x-axis: annual mileage; y-axis: required lifespan of the ESP (Exhaust System Part) in order for the diesel vehicle to just break even compared to a comparable gasoline vehicle over the long term.

Extreme example 1: A diesel vehicle is driven so much or so little each year that it has exactly the same total cost as a comparable gasoline-powered vehicle (with the same mileage) -> in this case, the ESP and other diesel-specific components would have to last an infinite amount of time.

Extreme example 2: The diesel vehicle is driven so much each year that the cost savings it provides annually are equivalent to the value of a new ESC (Electronic Stability Control) system. In this case, the ESC can fail every single year according to the corresponding mileage, and the vehicle will still remain competitive with gasoline-powered vehicles.

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Post20-09-2003, 11:20    Subject: Quote

Okay, it's off-topic, but it seems like people are interested.

No, nothing happened to me, and nothing happened to the engine/transmission.
Around Nuremberg, on the evening of June 12th, there was a very severe thunderstorm (with various highway closures due to flooding, etc.). Because it had been very warm that day, the road dried up quickly after the storm. I drove through the entire rain front and was alone, so I was driving south with relatively old summer tires (about 3-4 mm of tread) that I planned to replace in the fall.It wasn't very fast either, as there could still be water standing in the low-lying areas near the A9 at any time, but the road itself was completely dry.
Behind a bridge, there was a slight rise with a gentle leftward curve, after which the highway sloped downhill. As I drove over it, I noticed that the median strip was wet, with a lot of water vapor forming. I was alone on the highway. I then slowed down to about 80 km/h and moved into the middle lane because the right lane was very crowded with trucks. Further down the slope, I also saw water, but from my angle it looked harmless, and the depth couldn't be assessed from the shoulder due to all the water vapor.Well, as soon as I drove onto the road, I realized it wasn't going to work because the water was incredibly deep and flowed across the entire highway from left to right, well over about 60 meters (more than a lane marker). It was coming out of the drains in the middle of the road and probably running down from the bridge onto the median.
Die Karre ist dann sofort nach rechts hinten ausgebrochen (da war er ja leichter), was ich aber problemlos abfangen konnte. Als ich das Heck noch gar nicht ganz eingefangen hatte, schwamm aber auch die Vorderachse auf, so daß ich keinerlei Einfluß mehr auf die Fahrtrichtung hatte. Da es bergab ging, wurde ich auch nicht langsamer sonder driftete nur langsam aber sicher nach rechts. Ehe ich am Ende "des Flußes" ankam, ging mir die Straße aus und ich bin mit dem Hinterrad in Erde gekommen. Die war aufgrund des vielen reinlaufenden Wassers totaler Matsch (man sackte zu Fuß locker bis zum Knie weg), so daß das Rad hängen blieb und ich den Wagen aufs Dach gedreht habe. LeitThere was no plank.
"Success: All the wheel suspensions are bent, all the pillars are crumpled, and the rear right side is completely warped because I crashed head-on into an embankment. Luckily, there was nothing solid nearby like an old tree or anything."
Given the high mileage, it's never worth repairing a car in Germany, even if it's not technically that bad. So, I sold mine to a Romanian guy and got another one.
Super nerivg waren die Schaulustigen, die dann nach und nach eintrudelten. Die haben mich gehindert, die Unfallstelle zu sichern, unaufgefordert nen Krankenwagen statt der Polizei und dem ADAC bestellt, obwohl sichergestellt war, daß ich nicht verletzt war und auch keinen großen Schock hatte, sprich alle Reflexe usw. OK waren. An dem Tag wars 35 Grad und ich wurde über eine Stunde lang gezwungen, mit Decken zugedeckt ohne ein Getränk in der prallen Sonne im Matsch zu sitzen (nachdem die meine Isomatte da reingeworfen haben und dann mit ihren Matschlatschen da drin rumgetrampelt sind. Auf mehrfaches Bitten war keiner in der Lage, mir was zu trinken zu geben. They also wouldn't let me take the drinks from my car (besides the fact that one of them was 50% alcohol). The rest was supposedly spilled, which was a blatant lie, and I told them so. This could only be resolved when I managed to forcibly remove myself from the situation with those three people, because I was incredibly thirsty (partly due to the heat and all the excitement). Then they kept taking pictures. My request that, if they were going to take pictures, they also take my camera out of the car was consistently ignored.
When the ambulance arrived, fortunately someone had informed the police, so I was able to send the ambulance away without any charges, and the police dispersed the onlookers.
Naja, als ich endlich den Wagen abgeschleppt hatte, ausgeräumt bzw. allen Kleinkram abgebaut und nen Mietwagen organisiert, wars schon spät abends und ich hatte noch 180 km zu fahren. Da fings dann wieder an zu schütten ohne Ende und vor mir ist noch son Almera auf der A 9 abgeflogen. Als dann die AB das 2. Mal vollgesperrt wurde wegen Überflutung, bin ich über Landstraße, da lagen wenigstens ab und zu nur nen paar Bäume rum, aber es stand kein Wasser. Am The next morning, I had plenty of time to verschandeln my luggage for over two hours because the little bugs had thoroughly bathed in the mud.

Here's why I'm telling you all this: If you witness an accident, only stop if you actually know what to do in each situation or have seen the entire sequence of events. Otherwise, do everyone involved a favor and PLEASE just drive on.


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Post20-09-2003, 19:55    Subject: Quote

Hi,
That sounds familiar. Last year, a friendly driver in a Golf car didn't see me while I was turning left on my bicycle. Instead of the police, an ambulance arrived first, with paramedics who would have preferred to declare me dead. Perhaps it's also due to the location, which coordinates emergency calls via mobile phones at 112.
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Post21-09-2003, 5:59    Subject: Quote

In my case, the parties involved actually admitted that they believed I was seriously hurt because, according to them, "someone like me" couldn't possibly survive something like that.

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Post21-09-2003, 13:57    Subject: Quote

Zugegeben: Ich fahre noch nicht lange Auto, aber ich bin schon einige probegefahren (alte und neue, Benziner und Diesel) und mir bereiteten, wenn ich nicht runterschalte und an den Begrenzer gehe, der Diesel mehr Freude. Die Kraft, sich aus 1.500 Umdrehungen hochzukrabbeln, findet man beim Benziner nicht (sowieso nicht bei den 16 V, auch wenn es da Unterschiede gibt). Die 1.6 16V von VW sind sowieso die schlechtesten Motoren, die ich bis jetzt erlebt habe: Null Durchzug, sehr träger Anspruch und was für mich am schwersten wiegt an dem Teil: sehr lauter Motor. WWe have a 1Z engine and it has had very few repairs. There was once a problem with starting (it would always sputter and cough), and after about 15 minutes of stopping, everything would work again. Also, there was one instance of surging acceleration.'The only thing I'm not happy with is the exhaust smell; otherwise, I'm very satisfied with the engine. You can even run it at full throttle at 1,000 RPM and there's no hesitation (it seems to be very well tuned). The engine is just noisy and vibrates a lot. What has been worrying me lately is that the exhaust smells bad (I still have the original nozzles installed).'

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Post21-09-2003, 20:47    Subject: Quote

I just drove 580 kilometers today with one of those 1.6-liter engines. It's definitely noisy and sluggish.

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Post22-09-2003, 8:22    Subject: Quote

Was that also a fuel guzzler? When we drove to Wolfsburg, consuming 11-12 liters of fuel was quite common (when driving at full speed constantly). On the way back, we didn't drive as aggressively, and the consumption was around 8 liters at 130 km/h.

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