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Post05-06-2020, 11:11    Subject: Quote

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The intercooler system is airtight; I pressure-tested the entire area with approximately 1.5 bar, and there was no pressure loss or hissing.


What about air leaks in the rest of the system? Has anything changed since the differential pressure sensor was replaced?
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Post05-06-2020, 11:24    Subject: Quote

Second Bosch diagnostic device, purchased from a Bosch dealer using the VIN, delivers the same high-quality readings.

Starting this afternoon, everything will be checked systematically again.

I'm starting to suspect that the DPF is about to fail.

He regenerates almost constantly during the drive, but the soot mass is still increasing continuously! Now, after 60 km of driving, the DPF light comes on regularly.

If I replace the DPF now, I'll also get a new EGR module installed at the same time!

It's supposed to run for a while yet!

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Post05-06-2020, 11:38    Subject: Quote

Did you adjust the differential pressure sensor?
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Post05-06-2020, 12:13    Subject: Quote

Yes, the DDS is not adjusted to the correct values; even the originally installed one had extremely high values. Sometimes, people just don't want to face the truth!

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Post05-06-2020, 13:15    Subject: Quote

With the high values observed when the engine is idling?
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Post05-06-2020, 15:25    Subject: Quote

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If I replace the DPF now, then it will also get a new EGR module at the same time!


The EGR valve on this model is very time-consuming to replace because it's located in front of the injector nozzle, underneath the turbocharger. I'm curious to hear how it goes when you replace it.
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Post09-06-2020, 20:05    Subject: Quote

I haven't disappeared; I removed the DPF this weekend and am now waiting for the new part. The EGR valve was already replaced by the previous owner; it's from 2017, and I'm not going to do that! icon_biggrin.gif I found the invoice in the old documents.
I inspected the old DPF with a simple endoscope camera, and I will do the same with the new one. I'll post the images here shortly. And also a brief report!
I've definitely learned a lot. As soon as the car is running again, I'll get to work, and I'll share my findings here!

You have definitely helped me a lot here! icon_smile_thumb_up.gif

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Post11-06-2020, 10:34    Subject: Quote

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I haven't disappeared; I removed the DPF over the weekend and am now waiting for the new part.


Why did you order a new DPF instead of cleaning the old one? Which DPF did you get? Is it an original VW part?
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After the new particulate filter and the new differential pressure sensor were installed and reset, the differential pressure still shows an absurd value (see log "New particulate filter at idle") even at idle with an offset of 0. The subsequent test drive did not yield any better results. During constant acceleration from 80 to 120 km/h, the differential pressure temporarily reached over 900 hPa.
"Since I heard a rattling noise from underneath the vehicle at the beginning of the test drive, I investigated and noticed a distinct metallic clatter when I lightly tapped the SCR catalyst with my hand. The noise seems to be coming from the catalyst itself."
To rule out the new particulate filter as the cause of the high pressure difference, I disconnected the flange connecting the particulate filter to the SCR catalyst, allowing the exhaust gases to escape directly behind the particulate filter through the resulting gap. The result is clear to me! (see log "SCR catalyst disconnected from DPF").
In my opinion, the SCR catalyst is not permeable enough for some reason. The high pressure difference is caused by the build-up of exhaust gases in the exhaust system, from the DPF to the SCR catalyst. When the flange is removed, the pressure difference drops to 0 hPa very quickly after the engine is turned off. However, with the SCR catalyst reattached, the pressure difference remains around 30 hPa for a long time after the engine is turned off.
I haven't found any information online about replacing a clogged SCR catalyst, so I guess I'm the first one to do this. I'm going to replace the SCR catalyst and also the NOx sensor.
If I understand the various publications about the NOx sensor correctly, it also indirectly controls the EGR valve. Perhaps this is also the reason for the still unexplained increase in the measured soot mass in the DPF. It never matches the calculated soot mass.
The mechanisms and sensors that VW programmers developed for air-fuel mixture control are somehow incomprehensible, as there are hardly any proper references or documentation available.

Regarding the new DPF, I want to be upfront that I bought it as an accessory part, as the original part is simply not worth the price for me. At least, I didn't buy it at an auction house, but from a reputable accessory dealer. icon_biggrin.gif


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Post14-06-2020, 15:14    Subject: Quote

Thank you for the feedback! In the past, I've heard about catalytic converter ceramics that were chipped or crumbling, causing them to rotate inside the metal housing or for ceramic fragments to clog everything up. It's possible that something similar has happened here.

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Post15-06-2020, 21:09    Subject: Quote

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Thank you for the feedback! In the past, I've heard about catalytic ceramic materials that were tilted and crumbling, rotating inside the metal housing or having ceramic fragments clogging everything. Perhaps something similar has occurred here.

Best regards, Rainer


No problem! Feedback is the most important thing for me!
The next person won't have to search for as long if they are faced with a similar fate! icon_cool.gif

I will provide further updates...

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Post21-06-2020, 16:45    Subject: Solution: Summary & Problem Solved Quote

It took some time, but the problem is solved! The patient is walking again! icon_smile_thumb_up.gif
I don't want to end this topic without a summary, as it will certainly be helpful for those who experience something similar! icon_smile.gif

After dealing with the problem of a particle filter and extremely increasing soot levels, constant regenerations, and exorbitant pressure differences at the DPF for quite some time, everything is now back to normal.
No debugging without learning, I'm smarter now!
It's not always the particulate filter that's to blame when regeneration cycles are triggered too frequently. The differential pressure sensor actually only measures the back pressure in the entire exhaust system. The control unit assigns a soot load value to the differential pressure and, depending on the resulting soot mass, initiates one of the three DPF regeneration cycles.
First of all, field regeneration:

This process is initiated when the soot mass reaches 22.53 grams. If the vehicle is turned off in the meantime, the regeneration process starts immediately upon restarting. By increasing fuel consumption, high exhaust temperatures are generated within a few meters/minutes, allowing the soot to be burned.
If you frequently turn off the engine during short trips, you will quickly reach the next regeneration phase.
Secondly, service regeneration:

This is activated when the soot mass reaches 40 grams. If the regeneration process is interrupted too frequently, the DPF light will illuminate, and the driver will be prompted to take a regeneration trip according to the owner's manual.

Thirdly, we have forced regeneration.
If the soot mass exceeds 50g, the DPF is considered overloaded. In this case, the engine control unit will no longer initiate a regeneration process. At that point, only VCDS (a diagnostic tool) and a fire extinguisher nearby can help.

In my case, I assumed that the DPF was simply full and worn out after 200,000 km. Therefore, it was replaced with a remanufactured unit. However, the subsequent test drive did not yield any better soot loading values. Within 10 minutes of driving at a moderate speed, the soot loading increased from 6.96g to 24.90g. A regeneration cycle was initiated, but the soot loading values still increased dramatically. This, of course, also caused the exhaust gas temperatures to rise due to the post-injection activated by the engine control unit. The amount of soot burned off was not proportional to the increase in soot, so I would have seen the DPF light again in a very short time with the new DPF.

Please note that the engine did not excessively produce soot in any driving situation; the high differential pressure only gave the control unit a false indication of soot buildup, and it also fooled me! icon_wink.gif

Since I didn't believe the new particulate filter could already be clogged, I disconnected the subsequent SCR catalyst from the DPF. And the result was clear: the differential pressure was within normal limits.
It was only during this phase that I heard the SCR cat ringing, as if the ceramic material inside was loose within the casing.
After I took it apart, it was clear what the problem was; the attached image shows what I found.


I found a company that offers refurbished SCR catalytic converters, and I found a suitable one there. A new part was also not an option for me, as I prefer repairs that are appropriate for the age of the vehicle.
A phone call with the boss was very helpful, as he was able to explain the background of the damaged ceramic material to me. His explanations make sense to me, and I'm sharing them here without claiming any scientific accuracy.

"The injected AdBlue can crystallize in certain operating conditions and deposit in the cavities of the ceramic material. These crystals then act like tiny files under the exhaust pressure, which can damage the ceramic over time. The mileage of your engine, 200,000 km, is already at the limit for the SCR catalyst!"

Regarding the EA189 emissions issue and the corresponding software modification, everything seems to make sense. The amount of AdBlue injected was approximately doubled by VW, without any changes to the hardware.

After investing 1300 euros in the DPF and SCR catalytic converter, the values are back within the normal range, and the car is running well again.

The amount of soot produced now increases by 8 grams for every hour of driving over 100 kilometers, combining city and highway driving. This seems like a moderate value to me, and I can easily live with it. I'm including a corresponding log for reference.

Note: High differential pressure values are not always caused by a faulty DPF! The entire exhaust system should be checked for proper flow as a precaution.

Regards,
Ralf.



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Post21-06-2020, 21:01    Subject: Quote

Thank you for the feedback and the report! icon_smile_thumb_up.gif
We will probably have to pay more attention to the SCR catalyst as a potential source of cork-like deposits in the future.
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Post02-01-2023, 1:20    Subject: Regeneration: DPF regenerates too often? Quote

Hi Boldor,
Thank you for this report on the "continuous regeneration process in the EA183." It's not often that I find such a clear and comprehensive final report/feedback.
I've been searching for two days to figure out why: continuous regeneration!
I thought the DPF was failing because the differential pressure was too high, and I was already planning to order a replacement.
I've been looking closely at your post with the final report, and I've analyzed it in detail. It turns out I'm experiencing the same issue. The KAT is defective, and just like you, everything makes sense after that realization.
Thank you for this report - it was very helpful!
Best regards, Ursula.


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