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Post13-12-2004, 12:13    Subject: Speed-dependent diode? Quote

Hi

I took advantage of yesterday's opportunity to run my TDI for 1500 km, and I also made some logs.

AB Full throttle with LMM and with diode - logging of 003 008 011

And I'm about to fall!

The diode delivers the full 849.7 mg/h at standstill and moderate speed.

But at high speeds, the value decreases!!!
At 4000, it was only 814 mg !!


Will the value of the LMM be "revised" again because "850 mg at 4000 cannot be" or what happens then?
When I took the gas off, the value went back up.

Precise logs tonight.

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Post13-12-2004, 14:34    Subject: Re: Speed-dependent Diode ??? Quote

dieselmartin wrote:
The diode delivers the full 849.7 mg/h at standstill and moderate speed.
But at high speeds, the value decreases!!!
At 4000, it was only 814 mg !!


Will the value of the LMM be "revised" again because "850 mg at 4000 cannot be" or what happens then?

I believe that a fully functional LMM will still provide a few more mV of voltage than a 5V - Udiode.

-> Try it with a Schottky diode, which handles lower voltage.

A 2. Connecting diodes of the same or similar type in parallel could have a similar effect.
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Post13-12-2004, 14:42    Subject: Speed-dependent diode? Translating...

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Das heisst aber auch, dass die Spannung am LLM Signal ausgang nicht der fertige Messwert ist.

Denn warum sonst sollen 4,3 Volt bei 2000 U/min mehr Luftmasse sein als 4,3 Volt bei 4000 U/min.

Ich dachte immer, dass der LMM selbst die Aufbereitung der Messung uebernimmt.

Was ich leider nicht habe, ist die wirkliche Spannung am Sensor-pin bei dieser Messung.

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Post13-12-2004, 15:02    Subject: Speed-dependent diode? Translating...

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dieselmartin wrote:
Das heisst aber auch, dass die Spannung am LLM Signal ausgang nicht der fertige Messwert ist.

Denn warum sonst sollen 4,3 Volt bei 2000 U/min mehr Luftmasse sein als 4,3 Volt bei 4000 U/min.

Weil der LMM nur den Massenstrom messen kann, vereinfacht: Masse pro Saughub x Drehzahl.

Um daraus die Füllung pro Hub zu bekommen, muß der Motorcomputer "die Spannung durch die Drehzahl teilen".

icon_idea.gif -> gleiche LMM-Spannung bei steigender Drehzahl = sinkende Masse pro Hub.
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Post13-12-2004, 15:35    Subject: Speed-dependent diode? Translating...

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Ah, ich dachte, der misst pro Ansaugzyklus, so dass eine Drehzahl/2 frequente Spannung entsteht, bzw. die EDC nachguckt.

Aber so wie du es erklaert hast passt das mit der "zu stark abfallenden" Diode.

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bei 4000: 814 mg mit Diode is immer noch besser als 700 mg mitm LMM icon_wink.gif
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Post14-12-2004, 11:01    Subject: Speed-dependent diode? Translating...

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Jau, das 1/(U/min) fuer die Luftmasse kann man hier schoen erkennen:

Aber mit den 814 mg bleiben im Russfeld immer noch 2 mg "Platz" zur Drehmoment Grenze.
Der orginal LMM macht da ab und zu "dicht" (d.h. Russgrenze ist Minimum)


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