Ungleichmäßige Leistung

[Translating...]Hallo Leute, habe ein AFN in einer T3 Doka http://www.feine-busse.de. Nach Zahnriemenriss ist jetzt alles neu...nur er hat keine befriedigende Leistung mehr:
1. Springt schlecht an
2. Hat schwankende Leistung über den gesamten Drehzahlbereich
3. ESP lag 5 Monate ausgebaut und leer
4. kein räuchern...jedenfalls wenig (ohne AGR)
5. keine ergiebige Fehlermeldung im Speicher

Ich vermute den Geber in ESP der für den Einspritzzeitpunkt verantwortlich ist, bin mir aber nicht sicher....habe ein Log file konnte Ihn aber nicht richtig auswerten, deshalb hier in roh...:

Brauche dringend hilfe!!

Saturday,13,October,2007,15:30:53
E88 BD0 06 ,, 1.9l R4 EDC G00SG 1619,

,Group A:,'001,,,,Group B:,'002,,,,Group C:,'004
,,RPM,Inj. Quantity,Voltage,Temperature,,RPM,Load,Bin. Bits,Temperature,,RPM,Ign. Timing,Ign. Timing,Duty Cycle
,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,
MARKER,STAMP, /min, mg/R, V,°C,STAMP, /min,%,,°C,STAMP, /min, °BTDC, °BTDC, %
,0.82,861,4.6,1.580,63.0,1.22,861,0.0, 0 1 0,63.0,0.40,861,0.4,0.7,32.7
,2.02,861,4.6,1.560,63.0,2.42,861,0.0, 0 1 0,63.0,1.62,861,0.4,0.2,35.1
,3.22,861,4.6,1.580,63.0,3.62,861,0.0, 0 1 0,63.0,2.82,861,0.4,0.2,33.5
,4.42,861,4.4,1.560,63.0,4.82,840,0.0, 0 1 0,63.0,4.02,861,0.4,0.4,33.1
,5.62,1113,10.2,1.760,63.0,6.02,1071,33.7, 0 0 0,63.0,5.22,1029,0.2,0.4,37.1
,6.86,1197,17.2,2.020,63.0,7.28,1680,48.6, 0 0 0,63.0,6.46,1155,0.4,0.2,34.7
,8.10,1680,0.0,0.700,63.0,8.50,1302,37.6, 0 0 0,63.0,7.70,2016,0.9,0.0,32.7
,9.30,1554,29.0,2.380,63.0,9.70,1848,62.0, 0 0 0,63.0,8.90,1386,7.3,5.3,70.1
,10.50,2289,27.0,2.440,63.0,10.90,2499,62.0, 0 0 0,63.0,10.10,2058,4.4,4.0,43.0
,11.72,2982,25.4,2.540,63.0,12.12,2709,0.0, 0 1 0,63.0,11.30,2730,4.6,3.3,55.4
,12.92,1953,23.0,2.160,63.0,13.34,2058,63.1, 0 0 0,63.0,12.52,2016,0.7,0.9,23.5
,14.14,2226,28.2,2.460,63.0,14.54,2310,56.5, 0 0 0,63.0,13.74,2142,5.9,5.9,56.2
,15.34,2457,27.2,2.540,63.0,15.74,2541,63.1, 0 0 0,63.0,14.94,2394,1.8,1.3,42.6
,16.54,2688,17.8,2.100,63.0,17.00,2709,41.6, 0 0 0,63.0,16.14,2625,3.3,4.0,41.8
,17.80,2730,12.6,1.720,63.0,18.20,2730,39.6, 0 0 0,63.0,17.40,2730,0.9,0.4,32.7
,19.00,2772,20.6,2.140,63.9,19.40,2814,62.0, 0 0 0,63.9,18.60,2730,1.1,0.4,36.7
,20.22,2961,25.4,2.480,63.9,20.62,3045,61.2, 0 0 0,63.9,19.82,2898,4.0,4.4,50.2
,21.42,3087,0.0,1.460,63.9,21.82,2373,0.0, 0 1 0,63.9,21.02,3108,4.6,5.3,46.6
,22.68,2247,33.0,2.700,63.9,23.08,2247,76.1, 0 0 0,63.9,22.28,2163,6.6,5.9,89.3
,23.90,2352,33.8,2.800,63.9,24.32,2415,76.1, 0 0 0,64.8,23.48,2310,7.7,8.1,55.8
,25.14,2520,34.2,2.840,64.8,25.54,2562,77.3, 0 0 0,64.8,24.74,2457,8.1,8.6,57.8
,26.36,2688,33.8,2.880,64.8,26.76,2730,77.3, 0 0 0,64.8,25.96,2625,8.8,9.5,56.2
,27.62,2856,38.0,3.100,64.8,28.02,2919,90.2, 0 0 0,65.7,27.22,2793,9.9,10.1,61.4
,28.82,3066,38.6,3.240,65.7,29.22,3129,87.8, 0 0 0,65.7,28.42,2982,10.8,10.8,67.7
,30.04,2835,0.0,0.720,65.7,30.44,2268,42.7, 0 0 0,65.7,29.62,3192,11.7,11.9,66.1
,31.26,2205,34.6,2.820,66.6,31.66,2205,85.1, 0 0 0,66.6,30.86,2184,7.3,5.5,96.4
,32.52,2268,38.0,2.900,66.6,32.92,2310,84.7, 0 0 0,66.6,32.06,2247,7.5,8.1,57.4
,33.72,2373,34.8,2.900,67.5,34.12,2394,84.7, 0 0 0,67.5,33.32,2331,7.7,7.7,59.4
,34.92,2436,35.6,2.960,67.5,35.32,2478,87.1, 0 0 0,67.5,34.52,2415,7.9,8.6,57.4
,36.12,2541,37.6,3.000,67.5,36.52,2583,85.1, 0 0 0,68.4,35.72,2499,8.1,8.4,57.8
,37.32,2646,37.4,3.000,68.4,37.76,2667,84.7, 0 0 0,68.4,36.92,2604,8.8,8.6,63.0
,38.58,2730,41.2,3.220,68.4,38.98,2772,100.0, 0 0 0,68.4,38.16,2688,9.5,9.2,58.2
,39.78,2835,39.8,3.220,69.3,40.18,2856,100.0, 0 0 0,69.3,39.38,2814,9.9,9.7,60.6
,40.98,2919,40.8,3.300,69.3,41.38,2961,100.0, 0 0 0,69.3,40.58,2898,10.3,10.6,63.8
,42.18,3003,41.0,3.400,70.2,42.58,3045,100.0, 0 0 0,70.2,41.78,2982,10.8,10.8,63.0
,43.42,3024,0.0,0.720,70.2,43.84,2982,0.0, 0 1 0,70.2,43.02,3024,0.0,7.3,2.8
,44.64,2877,0.0,0.700,70.2,45.04,2814,0.0, 0 1 0,71.1,44.24,2940,0.4,0.0,10.8
,45.84,1869,0.0,0.700,71.1,46.24,2016,0.0, 0 1 0,71.1,45.44,2457,0.9,0.0,10.4
,47.04,2940,0.0,0.720,71.1,47.44,3339,0.0, 0 1 0,71.1,46.64,2541,0.9,0.0,10.0
,48.30,3360,0.0,0.720,72.0,48.70,3276,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,47.84,3465,1.5,0.0,13.9
,49.52,3087,0.0,0.700,72.0,49.93,3003,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,49.10,3192,0.0,0.0,12.0
,50.73,2835,0.0,0.700,72.0,51.13,2751,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,50.33,2919,0.4,0.0,10.8
,51.93,2562,0.0,0.720,72.0,52.33,2478,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,51.53,2646,0.7,0.0,10.8
,53.19,2310,0.0,0.720,72.0,53.59,2226,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,52.73,2394,0.9,0.0,9.6
,54.39,2079,0.0,0.720,72.0,54.80,2016,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,53.99,2163,0.9,0.0,8.8
,55.61,1911,0.0,0.720,72.0,56.03,1869,0.0, 0 1 0,72.0,55.19,1974,0.9,0.0,8.4
,56.86,1827,2.2,1.400,72.9,57.27,1764,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,56.45,1848,1.3,0.0,9.2
,58.07,882,3.8,1.540,72.9,58.51,924,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,57.67,1176,0.9,0.0,33.5
,59.31,861,1.6,1.460,72.9,59.71,861,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,58.91,861,0.4,2.0,26.3
,60.51,861,1.2,1.400,72.9,60.91,861,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,60.11,861,0.4,0.7,31.5
,61.71,861,1.6,1.420,72.9,62.13,861,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,61.31,882,0.4,0.4,30.3
,62.95,840,4.0,1.540,72.9,63.35,840,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,62.53,861,0.4,0.4,30.3
,64.19,861,4.4,1.580,72.9,64.59,861,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,63.79,840,0.4,0.2,34.3
,65.39,861,4.2,1.620,72.9,65.79,861,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,64.99,861,0.4,0.2,35.5
,66.59,861,4.2,1.560,72.9,66.99,861,0.0, 0 1 0,72.9,66.19,861,0.4,0.4,34.7
,67.81,861,4.2,1.560,72.9,68.21,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,67.39,861,0.4,0.2,33.5
,69.09,861,4.0,1.540,73.8,69.49,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,68.63,861,0.4,0.4,36.3
,70.29,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,70.69,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,69.89,861,0.4,0.4,33.9
,71.49,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,71.89,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,71.09,861,0.4,0.4,34.3
,72.69,861,4.2,1.560,73.8,73.09,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,72.29,861,0.4,0.2,35.1
,73.89,861,4.4,1.600,73.8,74.31,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,73.49,861,0.4,0.4,34.7
,75.15,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,75.57,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,74.75,861,0.4,0.4,33.5
,76.37,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,76.77,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,75.97,861,0.4,0.2,34.7
,77.57,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,77.97,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,77.17,861,0.4,0.4,35.5
,78.77,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,79.17,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,78.37,861,0.4,0.7,33.5
,80.01,861,4.6,1.580,73.8,80.41,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,79.57,861,0.4,0.4,33.5
,81.21,861,4.4,1.560,73.8,81.63,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,80.81,861,0.4,0.7,32.7
,82.43,861,4.2,1.580,73.8,82.83,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,82.03,861,0.4,0.4,33.5
,83.63,861,4.4,1.560,73.8,84.03,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,83.23,861,0.4,0.0,36.7
,84.83,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,85.29,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,84.43,861,0.4,0.4,33.9
,86.09,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,86.49,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,85.69,861,0.4,0.2,35.5
,87.31,861,4.2,1.580,73.8,87.71,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,86.89,861,0.4,0.7,34.3
,88.51,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,88.91,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,88.11,861,0.4,0.7,32.7
,89.71,861,4.4,1.560,73.8,90.17,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,89.31,861,0.4,0.2,35.9
,90.97,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,91.37,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,90.57,861,0.4,0.4,35.9
,92.17,861,4.4,1.620,73.8,92.57,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,91.77,861,0.4,0.2,33.1
,93.39,861,4.4,1.600,73.8,93.79,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,92.97,861,0.4,0.4,33.9
,94.61,861,4.2,1.560,73.8,95.01,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,94.21,861,0.4,0.4,33.9
,95.87,861,4.4,1.560,73.8,96.27,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,95.41,861,0.4,0.2,34.3
,97.07,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,97.47,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,96.67,861,0.4,0.7,35.1
,98.27,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,98.67,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,97.87,861,0.4,0.4,33.9
,99.47,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,99.89,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,99.07,861,0.4,0.7,33.1
,100.69,861,4.4,1.580,73.8,101.14,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,100.29,861,0.4,0.4,34.3
,101.94,861,4.6,1.600,73.8,102.34,861,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,101.54,861,0.4,0.4,35.1
,103.15,945,11.6,1.860,73.8,103.55,1113,27.5, 0 0 0,73.8,102.74,861,0.4,0.4,35.1
,104.35,1344,17.4,1.940,73.8,104.75,1533,42.7, 0 0 0,73.8,103.95,1176,0.2,0.0,30.7
,105.55,2016,0.0,0.700,73.8,105.95,1428,19.6, 0 1 0,73.8,105.15,1911,0.4,2.2,27.5
,106.79,1533,21.0,2.080,73.8,107.19,1701,49.0, 0 0 0,73.8,106.35,1386,0.9,0.4,23.5
,108.01,2058,15.6,1.920,73.8,108.41,2184,41.2, 0 0 0,73.8,107.61,1911,0.4,0.9,29.9
,109.21,2415,11.0,1.700,73.8,109.60,1974,0.0, 0 1 0,73.8,108.80,2310,0.4,1.1,30.7
,110.41,1575,20.4,2.020,73.8,110.81,1659,58.0, 0 0 0,73.8,110.01,1470,1.3,0.4,2.8
,111.60,1869,28.8,2.460,73.8,112.01,1995,67.1, 0 0 0,73.8,111.20,1764,3.5,4.0,45.0
,112.87,2289,33.0,2.760,73.8,113.29,2436,75.7, 0 0 0,73.8,112.46,2163,7.3,7.7,59.4
,114.10,2709,32.6,2.840,73.8,114.50,2856,73.7, 0 0 0,73.8,113.70,2562,8.6,8.8,57.4
,115.30,2205,1.0,0.720,73.8,115.71,2058,55.7, 0 0 0,73.8,114.90,2835,0.2,6.6,2.8
,116.50,2121,25.0,2.340,73.8,116.91,2163,57.3, 0 0 0,73.8,116.10,2100,1.1,1.3,39.0
,117.74,2247,23.2,2.280,74.7,118.14,2268,49.4, 0 0 0,74.7,117.30,2205,1.1,1.1,39.0
,118.99,2331,18.4,2.080,74.7,119.40,2373,51.4, 0 0 0,74.7,118.56,2310,0.0,0.2,33.5
,120.20,2415,22.0,2.300,74.7,120.61,2457,55.3, 0 0 0,74.7,119.80,2394,0.4,0.0,36.7
,121.40,2520,23.8,2.340,74.7,121.80,2541,58.4, 0 0 0,74.7,121.00,2478,1.1,0.9,40.2
,122.60,2625,23.2,2.360,75.6,123.00,2667,51.8, 0 0 0,75.6,122.20,2604,2.4,2.4,41.8
,123.84,2709,19.0,2.100,75.6,124.24,2709,50.2, 0 0 0,75.6,123.44,2688,1.1,1.1,37.5
,125.08,2751,20.4,2.200,75.6,125.48,2793,54.5, 0 0 0,75.6,124.66,2730,1.3,1.1,37.9
,126.28,2835,21.4,2.220,75.6,126.68,2856,60.4, 0 0 0,75.6,125.88,2814,2.0,2.2,39.8
,127.48,2961,41.0,3.320,75.6,127.88,3045,100.0, 0 0 0,75.6,127.08,2898,10.3,12.5,48.2
,128.74,3171,38.6,3.300,76.5,129.14,3213,100.0, 0 0 0,76.5,128.28,3087,11.2,11.4,64.5
,129.94,3360,38.2,3.340,76.5,130.34,3423,100.0, 0 0 0,76.5,129.54,3297,12.1,12.5,65.7
,131.18,3528,38.2,3.360,76.5,131.60,3612,100.0, 0 0 0,76.5,130.76,3486,13.0,12.8,65.3
,132.40,2982,0.0,0.720,77.4,132.80,2436,59.6, 0 0 0,77.4,132.00,3675,14.1,14.3,69.7
,133.60,2478,41.2,3.160,77.4,134.04,2520,100.0, 0 0 0,77.4,133.20,2457,8.1,9.5,59.0
,134.84,2562,34.4,2.940,77.4,135.24,2583,100.0, 0 0 0,78.3,134.44,2541,8.4,8.1,62.6
,136.04,2625,41.2,3.240,78.3,136.44,2646,100.0, 0 0 0,78.3,135.64,2583,8.8,9.0,58.2
,137.24,2688,34.0,2.900,78.3,137.66,2688,100.0, 0 0 0,78.3,136.84,2667,9.2,8.8,58.2
,138.46,2751,41.2,3.220,79.2,138.86,2751,100.0, 0 0 0,79.2,138.06,2730,9.5,9.9,60.6
,139.72,2814,34.6,2.960,79.2,140.12,2814,100.0, 0 0 0,79.2,139.32,2793,9.9,9.7,58.6
,140.92,2856,41.2,3.300,80.1,141.32,2877,100.0, 0 0 0,80.1,140.52,2835,10.1,10.6,60.2
,142.12,2877,12.2,2.240,80.1,142.52,2898,0.0, 0 1 0,80.1,141.72,2898,10.3,10.6,65.3
,143.34,2793,0.0,0.700,80.1,143.76,2772,0.0, 0 1 0,81.0,142.92,2793,0.4,0.0,10.8
,144.56,2772,23.8,2.420,81.0,144.96,2730,100.0, 0 0 0,81.0,144.16,2730,0.4,0.0,11.2
,145.76,2751,41.2,3.240,81.0,146.22,2772,100.0, 0 0 0,81.0,145.36,2730,9.7,9.9,57.8
,147.02,2814,41.2,3.260,81.9,147.42,2835,100.0, 0 0 0,81.9,146.62,2793,9.9,11.0,62.6
,148.22,2856,34.2,2.960,81.9,148.62,2877,90.6, 0 0 0,81.9,147.82,2856,10.1,10.1,64.5
,149.44,2919,40.0,3.280,81.9,149.86,2940,100.0, 0 0 0,81.9,149.02,2898,10.3,10.3,60.6
,150.66,2982,39.2,3.320,82.8,151.08,2982,100.0, 0 0 0,82.8,150.26,2961,10.6,10.3,59.4
,151.94,3024,37.4,3.180,82.8,152.38,3045,100.0, 0 0 0,82.8,151.50,3003,10.8,11.2,61.0
,153.18,3087,37.2,3.220,82.8,153.58,3108,100.0, 0 0 0,83.7,152.78,3066,11.2,11.2,61.0
,154.38,3129,38.0,3.300,83.7,154.78,3150,100.0, 0 0 0,83.7,153.98,3129,11.4,11.2,62.2
,155.62,3192,37.2,3.240,83.7,156.02,3192,100.0, 0 0 0,83.7,155.22,3171,11.7,11.2,64.1
,156.84,3234,36.4,3.200,83.7,157.24,3255,100.0, 0 0 0,84.6,156.42,3213,11.9,12.1,62.6
,158.04,3276,37.0,3.240,84.6,158.44,3276,100.0, 0 0 0,84.6,157.64,3255,12.1,12.1,64.5
,159.24,3318,36.4,3.260,84.6,159.64,3318,100.0, 0 0 0,84.6,158.84,3297,12.1,12.1,62.6
,160.48,3339,38.0,3.280,84.6,160.88,3339,100.0, 0 0 0,84.6,160.04,3318,12.3,12.1,64.5
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[Translating...]Hallo,

diesen Zahlenwust wird sich sicher niemand antun.
Stell bitte einfach das Logfile als Datei hierrein. Dan kann man besser drübergucken und Grafiken erstellen.

Für die Schnellansicht gibt es jetzt schöne Tools von RKS

Gruss Jochen

[Translating...]Habe die Datei hier http://www.feine-busse.de/LOG-01-001-002-005.CSV

Vielen Dank im Vorraus!

[Translating...]

Hallo,

das ist doch nicht besser.

Les doch bitte mal die Anleitung, importier die Daten nach Excel und werte das ganze grafisch aus. das ist kein Problem. So einen Zahlensalat sieht dir hier keiner durch....sry

[Translating...]So ich habe mal schnell über die Daten geguckt:

der Spritzversteller sind IMA ok aus.
Was mir aber garnicht gefällt, ist die Einspritzmenge. Diese tanzt wunderbar hin und her und unterschreicht deinen Eindruck von der schwankenden Leistung.

Kann es sein, dass deine Luftmasse oder der LD nicht passend ist, oder eins von beiden wellenförmig vorliegen?
Dann hättest du eine Erklärung deiner Einsprizmengenschwankungen:
Du springst unter durch die Rauchbegrenzung

Mach mal einen MWB 003-008-011 Log

Gruss Jochen

[Translating...]

Jochen_145 wrote:

Mach mal einen MWB 003-008-011

. . . aber dann auch mit Teillast-Zuckeleien mit weniger als Halbgas: da sieht man, ob die AGR richtig arbeitet, bzw. evtl. bei Vollgas Ärger durch Klemmen machen könnte.

Ohne Teillastpassagen ist der MWB3 nur eine nutzlose Sample-Rate-Bremse, dann besser 008-010 oder 008-011

[Translating...]Tja, war bei einem mir nem Tester, der sich angeblich damit auskennt. Der hat bei einer Testfahrt nicht feststellen können. Dann haben wir noch über Kraftstoffdruck etc. geräzelt und ich habe vorsichtshalber Kraftstofffilter, das Rücklaufventil und teilweise Kraftstoffschläuche erneuert...hat natürlich nicht gebracht....
Ich habe allerdings einen Turbolader aus der E-Bucht 260144214968 gekauft, der mir zwar seltsam vorkam, aber er war günstig....
Er war 9 Monate alt und hatte äußerlich nur einen abgerissenen Stehbolzen....ich vermute es könnte der sein. Ich werde die Meßfahrt bald machen. Soll ich die Messung beim Beschleunigen machen?
Übringens die AGR habe ich abgeklemmt (Schlauch zu).
Kann der Motor eigentlich Schaden nehmen? Muß Dienstag einen Bus damit Transpotieren!
Habe auch vor mich von dem Kat zu trennen, da meine Doka ein LKW ist. Kan man da Mehrleitung erwarten?
Den LMM habe ich schon Testweise getauscht. War kein Unterschied festzustellen...

Ich habe allerdings einen Turbolader aus der E-Bucht 260144214968 gekauft, der mir zwar seltsam vorkam, aber er war günstig....
Er war 9 Monate alt und hatte äußerlich nur einen abgerissenen Stehbolzen....ich vermute es könnte der sein. Ich werde die Meßfahrt bald machen. Soll ich die Messung beim Beschleunigen machen?

Hallo,

ja, mach die oben geforderte Messfahrt sowohl mit Volllast, als auch mit Teillast.

Kann es sein, dass deine Luftmasse oder der LD nicht passend ist, oder eins von beiden wellenförmig vorliegen?
Dann hättest du eine Erklärung deiner Einsprizmengenschwankungen:
Du springst unter durch die Rauchbegrenzung

Das passt perfekt auf defekten Turbo. Die Messfahrt sollte hier weitere Erkenntnisse bringen.
Gurss Jochen