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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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08-12-2003, 9:51 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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HI
I finally had a properly warm engine and some time tonight, so I was able to get back to riding on the next straight and doing DZR-training
My tractor needed 8.69 and 8.52 seconds in both directions!!!
(I have a 1996 1Z Golf 3 Variant CL, without air conditioning)
Since I was able to measure all values (except real power and weight) beforehand (-3 degrees, 1010 mbar, 47 km/h at 2000 RPM (all with VAG COM)), the only remaining possibilities are errors in the power or weight measurements.
What does a G3 TDI Variant weigh when fully fueled?
Approximately 1550 kg ???? Then the 8.6 seconds at 66 kW are correct.
Does the "sluggishness" perhaps stem from the decreasing LMM values that occur at higher RPMs?
http://people.freenet.de/golf-schrauber/dzr_lmm.gif
Maybe some other 1Z drivers have already driven their cars for up to 4000 km and can share their experiences
Hello
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Bertil Profi-Schrauber

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08-12-2003, 11:22 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Hi,
Don't rely on the weight of a G3 Kombi 1Z.
I had written something about this in my 1Z time:
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The times I measured back then were somewhere between 8.2 and 8.5 (depending on the day's form).
Gruß Bertil
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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08-12-2003, 11:28 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Oops...
Then the times are really good, and I should probably start thinking about weight tuning sooner
e.g., could I get rid of my "workshop equipment"
Thank you, Bertil.
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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17-12-2003, 20:08 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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HI
I went to the TÜV today - they were also very nice, because there was a free weighing service.
The trailer was still 3/8 full, and I was sitting in it (73 kg).
Result: 1350 kg
During the test, there might have been 30-40 kg more weight in play, but I can't achieve the calculated 1550 kg.
SHAME, then he's definitely too weak in the DZR!!!
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Rudi Guest
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18-12-2003, 0:44 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Hello Martin,
the times are not so bad.
My time is approximately 8.3 seconds.
The LMM values, however, appear to be somewhat unusual.
In my measurements, the two curves essentially run parallel.
parallel (maximum 2% deviation - rounding error?!).
Have you disabled the AGR?
Best regards, Rudi
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x world one Blaumann

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18-12-2003, 8:39 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Although I have a 3-door car, it's not much different in the test. I needed around 8.3 seconds in the summer at approximately 23°C, and now in the winter I need around 7.9 seconds. With 10 cents, I can even make 6.3 in this weather.
VW Golf III TDI Avenue, MKB 1Z, EZ96
VW Passat 3B Variant Highline, MKB AEB, EZ98, LPG
Opel Vectra C SW First Edition, MKB Z19DTH, EZ05
Aktuell: Ford Ranger 3,2l, Automatik, MKB SAFA, EZ 2014
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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19-12-2003, 16:26 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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@ x world
I want !! 2 seconds only due to weather and 10 cents ... I also need 10 cents !!! (so, just pretending to buy the amount?)
@ Rudi
Do you mean my LMM values?
They look funny in the act. On the engine, I haven't done anything, because I bought it 1.5 years ago and so far I've only installed an AFN cover with AFN diesel lines and ESP connectors.
I'm surprised by the high LM (elongation) at partial load, and the drop-off starting at 3000 (which, however, also occurred in the AHU that I measured recently!).
Do you have diagrams of yourself ???
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19-12-2003, 18:07 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Hello Martin,
I have the VAG-COM log file (approximately one hour long).
I'm going to come up with something really impactful and post it.
Best regards, Rudi
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x world one Blaumann

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19-12-2003, 18:25 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Yes, just through careful observation. While it may still be set too high.
VW Golf III TDI Avenue, MKB 1Z, EZ96
VW Passat 3B Variant Highline, MKB AEB, EZ98, LPG
Opel Vectra C SW First Edition, MKB Z19DTH, EZ05
Aktuell: Ford Ranger 3,2l, Automatik, MKB SAFA, EZ 2014
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19-12-2003, 18:42 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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@ x world
According to which blueprint? Do you have a link?
@ Rudi
you can also send me the part by mail:
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19-12-2003, 18:50 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Yep, here in the Forum under "Technical Articles" -> General and then "10Cent Tuning"
VW Golf III TDI Avenue, MKB 1Z, EZ96
VW Passat 3B Variant Highline, MKB AEB, EZ98, LPG
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Rudi Guest
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19-12-2003, 23:58 Subject: DZR Experience (mine is too weak) |
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Okay, then!
The entire text is an excerpt from a 'normal' drive on the A2xx, not a special measurement run.
At 3000 rpm, my Golf (speedometer) reads approximately 135 – oh no; of course, only 120; more is impossible.
not allowed
It seems there's a problem with the exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system (the upper curve represents the actual value!)
However, if the target value then actually reaches the actual value, the latter does not
I'm planning to conduct some tests and log the results.
Best regards, Rudi
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