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Post14-11-2006, 19:33    Subject: Quote

@ Bububaer: Here you go! There's a lot to read, so take your time... icon_cool.gif

I don't have my own diagnostic equipment, so I am dependent on a Suzuki dealer (or possibly a helpful Opel dealer). In terms of fuel consumption, I am at: http://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/119460.html Meanwhile, I have driven a little over 70,000 km since March 2004.

It's important to mention that my Ignis had a speed limiter in the engine control unit. The official top speed was set to 155 km/h, but the speedometer indicated 160-165 km/h. A mechanic once offered to adjust this limiter to the maximum possible value (199 km/h), which I agreed to. Now, the speedometer shows a top speed of 185 km/h, which corresponds to 172 km/h according to GPS. It's quite fast up to 150 km/h, but it becomes sluggish after that. The reason for this speed limiter is likely the rapid increase in fuel consumption, which you can also see on a fuel consumption monitoring website. I believe it was on page 1. However, I rarely drive that fast. For my commute to work, a maximum speed of 85 km/h on rural roads is sufficient, and I don't push the car to its limits even in city traffic, from one red light to the next.

Here's a summary of the issues encountered, in bullet points:

* Significantly increased engine oil consumption with the new engine.
* Blue smoke and the smell of burnt oil during startup.
* The initial engine oil was "blown out" after approximately 1500 km.
* Solution: Oil change under warranty and a request to monitor the oil level.
* The added engine oil was again completely gone at a mileage of 7500 km, along with the first set of brake pads for the front disc brakes.
* Another oil change under warranty, along with replacement of the brake pads.
* Until approximately 8000 km, the oil consumption was still decreasing, despite normal driving.
* Since the first 15,000 km service, the oil consumption has been approximately 1 liter between oil changes, or 1 liter per 15,000 km. This is acceptable.
* The engine break-in period was therefore completed.

Then I had a water leak at the hose fitting for the rear window washer hose. This fitting is located between the right front wheel well and the interior of the car. Water was entering through this fitting during heavy rain. The felt insulation underneath the carpet became saturated, started to mold, and smelled terrible. The insulation and carpet were replaced under warranty, and the hose fitting was sealed with windshield sealant from both sides. It has been leak-free ever since.

Then a complete failure due to a faulty MAP sensor (boost pressure). The check engine light remained on constantly, there was no more turbo boost, and the engine speed was limited to 2000 rpm (approximately 85 km/h). The mobility service sent a tow truck, which transported my vehicle to the nearest dealer. The offer for a rental car was 55 EUR per day (Ford Ka), with a maximum of 150 km. Outrageous! Since I was commuting between Berlin and Münster at the time, I had a problem. I had to be back in Münster on Sunday evening, so I would be without a car for a week. Fortunately, my brother lent me his Astra-F GSI, but it consumed a lot of fuel, which would have meant driving home for 4 weekends. The repair was also covered by the warranty. Since then, I have been an ADAC Plus member again. At least with them, you remain mobile in case of a breakdown!

After encountering some compelling evidence of the workshop's inability to properly perform even the simplest tasks on the diesel engine, I decided to switch workshops.

"The glow plugs were replaced in December 2005 after only 45,000 km. I paid for them myself, as they are considered wear items. Only 2 of the glow plugs are still working, so I really need to get them replaced soon. The ones installed (BERU) are supposedly not suitable for my car, according to the manufacturer, because they don't have a post-glow function of more than 300 seconds. However, the original glow plug control system does provide this post-glow function, as I discovered using a test lamp and stopwatch. All for clean exhaust emissions!"

The last major repair was the alternator. It started with a squeaking noise from the belt after starting the engine in the morning, which initially stopped after a few kilometers. Eventually, the noise became constant. First, the workshop replaced the belt and immediately determined that it was not the cause. Then, they replaced the tensioner pulley. I paid for both of these (as they were considered wear items). After that, the noise level changed, but the squeaking persisted. There were further attempts to fix the problem, but each time I had a (free) loan car. They decided to replace the alternator. At first, I was skeptical, but then they showed me the removed alternator, which had two completely damaged bearings, causing the pulley to run completely crooked. They also submitted a goodwill claim, which, to my surprise, covered 100% of the costs. The previous unsuccessful repairs (replacement of the tensioner pulley and belt) were reversed, and I was fully reimbursed.

Since I bought the car, I've been annoyed that when I use the windshield washer system at the front, washer fluid also comes out of the rear nozzle. The entire washer fluid reservoir, pump, and valve were completely replaced, but it didn't make any difference. I'll just have to live with it. The rear wiper looks worse than on 15-year-old cheap cars. It's made of steel parts held together by an aluminum rivet. In addition, the foot, which is made of cast iron and sits on the toothed shaft, is heavily corroded. It's clearly electrochemical corrosion! There's no solution: There's no other material available to order.

"Another design flaw: The rear speakers have a curved surround around the membrane that presses against a molded ring on the housing from below. This produces a disturbing sound when played at higher volumes. Solution: Either cut off the ring on the housing or replace the rear speakers. I replaced the speakers as part of an upgrade to the radio system."

Ebenfalls ungeeignet ist die serienmäßige Bereifung, die bei meinem Wagen 175/65 R14 waren. Abgesehen von der werksmäßig schlechten Einstellung der Achsgeometrie (vom Händler korrigiert) ist der gegenüber dem Benziner vorn deutlich schwerere Diesel mit diesen Reifen völlig falsch ausgerüstet. Das Teil rutschte bei jedem Abbiegen über die Reifenaußenkante und führte zu übermäßigem Reifenverschleiß auf den äußeren Profilreihen trotz inzwischen korrigierter Achsgeometrie. Abhilfe: Kauf von Alurädern mit 6 x 14 und ET 30, Bestückung mit 195/60 R14 - einschließlich Abnahme und Eintragung, natürlich auf eigene Kosten. Die ET 30 bringt eine breitere Spur, Reifenaußenkanten und Radlaufkanten bilden jetzt eine Linie. Neben einer dezent-fetten Optik hat das Fahrverhalten deutlich gewonnen. Die ganze Fuhre liegt damit derartig fett und arrogant auf der Straße und fährt sich eine ganze Klasse besser. Auch bremst der ganze Wagen deutlich besser, da das ABS sich nicht permanent bemerkbar macht und bei den ständig rutschenden 175ern den Bremsweg gefährlich verlängerte. MehrFuel consumption is low to negligible due to a conservative driving style.

You can find pictures here: http://www.suzukimania.de/forum/galerie.php?car=ignis&nr=6

Die augenblicklich wieder montierten (und zum Wagen mitgelieferten) Winterräder (Stahlfelge 4,5 x 14 ET 49) zeigen wieder, wie bescheiden sich die Fuhre auf den schmalen Rädern fährt. Grunpleasant...

By the way, we bought two of them. Of course, we bought them together so we could negotiate a good deal with the dealer. My partner has a 1.3-liter gasoline engine with 94 horsepower. Besides the rear speakers, which we replaced, the car also had the same water leak in the same place. The fix was the same as for my car, and it was covered by the warranty. The rear wiper motor is also failing – and, like my car, water sprays out of the rear windshield washer nozzle when you try to wash the front window. Removing a restrictor ring located in the air intake and covering the holes in a resonator with "duct tape" resulted in a slightly sportier sound, about 10 km/h more top speed, and a fuel consumption reduction of 1-1.5 liters during highway driving.

So far, the gasoline engine is performing as one would expect from a 2.5-year-old car: reliably and without any issues. Due to the lower weight on the front axle, the car works perfectly with the standard 175 tires and wears them down evenly. The only criticism is the noticeably high fuel consumption, which rarely drops below 7.5 liters. My partner drives quite aggressively, but 7.5 liters for 2/3 highway and 1/3 city driving feels like significantly too much for this car. Even when driving on the highway at a maximum speed of 130 km/h, it's not possible to achieve better fuel economy; at a faster pace, you're looking at around 9 liters. Notably, with the throttle restriction mentioned above, the engine consumed even more!

The gasoline engine now has over 40,000 kilometers on it.


Even though this is starting to stray from the original topic, please tell me about your experiences with your car! You can, of course, send me an email at 16348 (at) gmx . net - but feel free to share it here as well, for the benefit of our readers.
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Post15-11-2006, 0:15    Subject: Quote

I'm going to write this here. If the topic doesn't interest you, you don't have to read it.

'I didn't have as many problems with my Wagon R+ as you did. After about 40,000 km, I noticed that the car was leaking oil significantly. After careful observation, I was 100% certain that it was transmission oil. I lost 1.6 liters of transmission oil in less than 10,000 km.'
Up until then, my journey had mostly been on Czech highways, and I was driving fast, of course. I used to work in the Czech Republic back then.
I then took the car to my dealer in Schnaittach. I would like to give a huge compliment to the company Auto Kalb. They helped me with absolute competence, immediately provided a loan car, and resolved the problem with the help of Suzuki.
The problem was the mineral-based gear oil, which simply foamed up when the engine was hot and at high RPM, causing it to leak out of the gearbox vent. Now, I'm using a full synthetic oil, and I also installed a 'ball' on the gearbox vent. Since then, I haven't had any more problems.
And now, after approximately 60,000 km, the problem with starting the engine...

'I still think the suspension is quite good for such a short car, 3.50 meters long and with a height of 1.70 meters, if only the steering wasn't so vague... By the way, my colleague had three very expensive repairs on the steering system of his Audi A4 in the Czech Republic, due to the poor road conditions. My Suzuki hasn't had any problems in that regard.'

The fuel consumption is between 4.7 liters ('economical driving') and 5.6 liters when I drive fast. Considering the vehicle's height, I find that to be reasonable.

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Bubu.


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Post15-11-2006, 1:16    Subject: Quote

...1.6 l is the complete fill amount for the transmission according to the manual for my car! I also complained last winter that the cold transmission was almost impossible to shift at temperatures below 0 degrees. If you didn't park the car with the 1st gear engaged, it was also difficult to get the gear into drive right after starting the engine. The transmission oil was also changed back then, which at least provided a solution until recently. Now, even at just above 0 degrees, I'm experiencing a difficult shifting problem again. I will mention this again during my next visit to the workshop. However, the engine and transmission are completely dry. There is apparently no leak.

The vague steering you mentioned is likely due, to a large extent, to the tires. Your car probably has 165/70 R14 tires as standard equipment - the same tires that I use for winter tires. Is that correct? Due to the greater vehicle height, the Wagon had a higher fuel consumption rating than the Ignis - neither of them probably has great aerodynamics. The bodies are, in any case, only propelled by the wind. icon_rolleyes.gif Furthermore, I personally preferred the interior design of the Ignis. However, it is, as far as I know, also a bit more expensive than a similarly equipped Wagon.


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Post15-11-2006, 17:49    Subject: Quote

Hello hat enthusiasts,

I didn't measure the 1.6 liters myself; the workshop did.
By the way, the wagon is no longer being manufactured, even though I really like its interior and functionality.
I also noticed that the transmission doesn't shift as smoothly as a VW transmission. But since I switched to a full synthetic oil, the difference is hardly noticeable. The shifting is now smooth in all temperatures.

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Post15-11-2006, 20:12    Subject: Quote

Okay, so I've scheduled an appointment for tomorrow to have the transmission checked and to investigate the high glow plug consumption. At least there's agreement that glow plugs should last longer than just under a year. They're considering some kind of goodwill gesture...

What kind of tires do you have on your wagon? Have you made any other modifications to it?
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Post16-11-2006, 0:43    Subject: Quote

I still have the standard tires. Otherwise, I haven't changed much, except for a few electrical modifications. I installed a 6mm² cable inside, added some additional power outlets, and a small amplifier.
Otherwise, everything is as it was.

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