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christian2121
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20-04-2006, 23:03 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Hello everyone, after a major engine overhaul of my T3 bus, TDI AFN 110 hp, I am now having problems with the engine control unit. I replaced the immobilizer with a new one, as I didn't have a (4-digit) code for the old one. After installation, the engine started, but when I turned it off again (about 5 minutes), it wouldn't start anymore. When I try to start it, I get the message: Engine control unit locked 17978. The immobilizer no longer shows any errors, and the learning values have also been deleted. Do you perhaps have any suggestions on how I can proceed?
Login to the Engine Control Unit ?? because you can't delete the learning values there.
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20-04-2006, 23:21 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Hi
AFN is not the same as AFN.
Which donor provided the AFN? Golf 3, Passat 3A, Passat 3B ...
If it's a Passat, what type of engine does it have? One, that starts with 028 .. or with 038.
Your errors indicate a 038 with a "newer" WFS, because the WFS from the Golf 3 and Passat 3A are very outdated and can even be adapted to a pear
m; Transparency, Teamwork
... there was another T.
I don't know what the f*ck it was.
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christian2121
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21-04-2006, 0:22 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Hello Martin
Thank you for your quick response. The donor car was allegedly a Seat Ibiza from 1997. I had already won the engine with all the attached parts on eBay. The problem started with this, as the WFS that came with it apparently wasn't from the same car. I received the error "Key not authorized". This WFS was a black-brown box with two connectors (3-pole for the reading pulse, 6-pole for K-Line, etc.). Since I didn't have a pin for this key, I got a new WFS from a friend that was actually for an Audi A4 (B4). My friend assured me that this part would also fit, even though it had a connector (12-pole). In addition, he said that it would automatically learn. That's also true, because after installation, I was able to start the engine, but only once.
The number of my engine control unit starts with 028. The WSF no longer displays any errors.
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21-04-2006, 0:28 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Where are you from?
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christian2121
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21-04-2006, 0:57 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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I live near Augsburg.
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21-04-2006, 22:57 Subject: Re: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Since I didn't have the original key fob, I got one from a friend that was intended for an Audi A4 (B4). My friend assured me that this part would also work, even though it had a connector (12-pin), and he also said that it would automatically learn.
The 12-pole is also used in the A8 and A6-C4. The control unit also has a login feature, and the keys must be programmed.
Is it something like this?
http://i6.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/35/3c/4a_1_b.JPG
That was also correct, because after installation, I was able to start the engine, but only once.
And what happened then?
Augsburg is a bit far away, that's a shame.
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christian2121
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22-04-2006, 15:45 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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This is the new WFS control unit. The keys have been programmed, as I have the key for this WFS control unit. I can't start the engine because I have the error "Engine Control Unit Locked" in the engine control unit, and I can't delete it because it's not a sporadic error. Right now, I'm stuck, is there anything I can do, or should I go to the SEAT dealer? The WFS is functioning correctly.
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22-04-2006, 15:50 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Is the engine control unit (ECU) connected to the immobilizer?
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22-04-2006, 16:17 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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This is the problem. I am unable to clear the learning values in the engine control unit. My tester indicates "Unknown Function" or "Not Possible at this time." What PIN do I need to log in to the engine control unit?
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22-04-2006, 16:23 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Besides the fact that we don't know which tester you are using, you should not do that in the engine control unit, but in the WFS control unit. 
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22-04-2006, 16:27 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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I have the VAG 1552. In the WFS, I have already deleted the learning values. This worked perfectly. Is this enough for learning the engine control unit?
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22-04-2006, 16:32 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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christian2121 wrote: | | I have the VAG 1552. In the WFS, I have already deleted the learning values. This worked perfectly. Is this enough for learning the engine control unit? |
Perform login and in the WFS control unit, adjust channel 000.
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22-04-2006, 17:25 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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So, if I delete the learning values in the WFS control unit, and then I don't turn off the ignition and start the engine immediately, the engine starts and runs. The LED on the WFS continues to flash. I can delete the fault memory in the engine control unit while the engine is running. It doesn't detect any errors when the engine is running. However, if I stop the engine and restart it, my engine control unit is locked again. If I delete the learning values of the WFS again, I can start the engine again. What is this problem m?
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22-04-2006, 17:32 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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This is the emergency start function, which is now activating...
Then start posting details...
1. Part Number Engine Control Unit
2. Part Number WFS-Control Unit
3. WFS SteuergerÀt Coding
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22-04-2006, 18:06 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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Part Number MSG: 028 906 021 EK
Part Number WFS: 4A0 953 234
WFS Encoding: 00000
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22-04-2006, 18:11 Subject: Problems with TDI AFN Engine Control Unit |
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christian2121 wrote: | | Part Number MSG: 028 906 021 EK |
Donor car, meaning a Polo.
christian2121 wrote: | | Part Number WFS: 4A0 953 234 |
Donor car is an Audi.
I would advise you to get a suitable VW WFS control unit and try again.
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