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harj Guest
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24-04-2007, 20:12 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Hello everyone
Now I have a 2007 Seat Leon 2 instead of my problematic A4 2.5TDI with AFB error, which, by the way, also has a broken ESP...
Wanted to attach the trailer hitch to the rear lights at Seat, but it's not that easy... because the brake and light system seems to be connected... Brakes with 4V, 11....
I probably can't avoid the expensive original STG.
Crying or Very sad
Or are there alternatives?
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guste100 Profi-Schrauber


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24-04-2007, 22:41 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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What does an "expensive" original STG cost?
An alternative would be a DIY solution, where you would need to know the specific voltages. (For example, the 4  1V for lights and brakes). This would also require voltages for reversing lights, fog lights, and turn signals. Then, one could potentially develop a circuit from this.
What are your electronic design knowledge?
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BM Profi-Schrauber


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24-04-2007, 22:42 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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So, without STG it's not possible, or how, for example, do you want to tell the ESP that a pendant is coming along?
As an alternative, there is an in-built kit from Westfalia. It is possible that it is the same as from  . 3B5 AJM
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harj Guest
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25-04-2007, 7:03 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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I just need a 7-pole outlet....
Original price allegedly 450.-
Replica 170.-
Where can I find Westfalia parts?
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D. Kurz Guest
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25-04-2007, 8:10 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Hello!
I don't want to do any kind of advertising, but I've had the best experiences with Rameder, so http://www.kupplung.de. And if you buy the 'original' cable set for your Leon there, then it will also work. Don't even try with any universal electrical kits, you'll just end up in a real mess with a car like this.
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Herr Antje Schrauber

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25-04-2007, 8:21 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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I have had good experiences with Brink/Bosal. With Volvo, for example, you also cannot install a universal cable set due to the need to monitor the bulbs. Make sure you get a set that is suitable for your vehicle. There, you'll usually also find out what you need and how it's connected. Aktuell:
- Sharan Goal '04 V(R)6 2.8 150 kW, ab 09.08.2007 mit Vialle LPI, MKB: AYL
- G3 VR6 '93 128 kW, MKB: AAA
Bis 07/2007: Passat Variant 3BG '01 2.5TDI 110 kW, MKB: AKN
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wutz Blaumann

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25-04-2007, 15:52 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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I bought the small original Black Box (from the dealer) for my Golf for the trailer hitch. The original set cost around 65 euros and installed perfectly. The part is suitable for vehicles with and without CAN. So far, no problems at all and very satisfied. VW Golf V, 1,9 TDI, 77KW, BLS, 2007;
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harj Guest
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25-04-2007, 19:32 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Thank you very much for your tips!!!
I ordered a universal cable set today for around €69...
The ET dealer has sent me the documentation in advance... which clarified a few things, unfortunately, I need to run a power cable through the car for this electronics.
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D. Kurz Guest
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26-04-2007, 8:27 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Thank you so much for your tips!!!
They were free!
I ordered a universal cable set for around €69 today...
And why don't you just buy the 'Tipp's' and get a vehicle-specific installation kit instead? Trust me, with all the newer vehicles, you could end up with more problems than you like trying to save money. Especially, as Wutz said, 65 Taler for the original VW Blackbox...
The ET dealer has sent me the documentation in advance.... which clarified a few things, unfortunately, I need to run a power cable through my car for this electronics.
That can also happen with original sentences, especially in vehicles with Check-Control. That's right.
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harj Guest
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26-04-2007, 8:29 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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My Seat dealer is asking €170 for the original part.
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D. Kurz Guest
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26-04-2007, 9:49 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Hello!
Okay, so, ich habe jetzt einfach mal nach einem 2007er 2.0er TDI Leon bei Rameder geschaut... Schau mal hier nach, vor allem die Installationsanleitungen für die spezifischen Kabelbaugruppen... Mit dem Tester und all den 'Schikanen'... Ich will dich nicht zwingen, aber meine Erfahrung als Mechaniker rät mir, bei Autos ab spätestens dem Baujahr 2000, solche 'Klemme'-Experimente zu vermeiden. Above all, something goes up in smoke, and no amount of guarantees can help you.
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harj Guest
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26-04-2007, 20:03 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Hello everyone
...removing the high-voltage lighting system for this device should not be a problem.
I don't plan to use the cutting clamp technique, and the power supply from the battery also sounds reasonable....
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D. Kurz Guest
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27-04-2007, 8:34 Subject: Question regarding trailer socket wiring:
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Let's briefly consider what the power supply from the battery could be used for... Ah, first idea: Powering the Bums container with a 13-pin connector. Makes sense if you draw power directly from the battery. Ah, another idea: The signal for the turn signals will be amplified, so that the turn signal system in the train vehicle is not overloaded, and a simple relay replacement, like in the Golf 3, will be straightforward.
But then, the extra power supply, and possibly even the control sum for the turn signal, is supplied from it. And the rest of the lighting? It is directly taken from the power supply of the individual light units in the vehicle. And that's exactly where your problem lies: You probably have a lamp control module installed in your Leon, and that will completely fail, or even drastically, if used, especially when towing. Do you have a PDC (Parking Distance Control) on your car? If so, next problem! Using a cable set not intended for this car will drive your PDC crazy when you put it in reverse. With the 'correct' cable set, the PDC (Power Delivery Controller) is deactivated the moment you plug a cable into the terminal block.
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Dominique |
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