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hharry Blaumann

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27-03-2008, 10:18 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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Hello,
I've recently started driving a Passat 3C Variant TDI with 140 hp and DPF as a company car. Now I've noticed that the maximum speed is exactly 218 km/h on the speedometer, but when measured with GPS, it's actually 207 km/h. This means that the engine cuts back, which I can clearly feel when going downhill on the highway. Does anyone of you know about this problem?
Is there any way to remedy this?
It's quite frustrating because you think it could still go much further...
Greetings to everyone
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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27-03-2008, 10:39 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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Hm
The vehicle is registered under the license plate 206. That means everything is fine.
What software version does your motor control unit (ECU) have?
A 11/2006 variant with the BMP engine in my environment is actually running at 220-230 km/h according to the speedometer.
m; Transparency, Teamwork
... there was another T.
I don't know what the f*ck it was. |
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27-03-2008, 11:29 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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The 'reconciliation software' only appeared with the latest updates...
But if a software update has been installed, it is highly likely that the V_max limit is now active.
Best regards,
Jochen |
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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27-03-2008, 12:01 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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If the limit based on the intended capabilities of the EDC16 is implemented, it is also possible to read the limit.
There's 300 km/h listed for it... and he can manage  250 of them.
m; Transparency, Teamwork
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27-03-2008, 12:36 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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If the limit is set using the predefined EDC16 capabilities, the limit can also be read out.
Yes, it is present in the dataset and can be modified if the parameter is found.
With my car, it reaches 300 km/h...  and he can achieve 250 km/h.
Do you also have a Siemens-VDO ECU?
Best regards, Jochen
P.S. Does anyone know if the Audi A3 with 170 hp also has the Siemens ECU, or is Bosch used here? I'm betting on Siemens, as I expect the PPE... but I'm not sure exactly  |
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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27-03-2008, 12:54 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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As far as I know, all the 170 PPDs have the Siemens-VDO ECU, because the PPEs also have them.
Quote: | | Component: J623 - Engine Electronics (#01) - BMN/BMR/BUY/BUZ 2.0l TDI-PPD |
Regarding the limitation, my Siemens box also has the same measurement blocks as Bosch ECUs, or?
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pschaefer Blaumann

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27-03-2008, 20:57 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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Jochen_145 wrote: | P.S. Does the Audi A3 with 170 hp also have the Siemens ECU, or is Bosch used here? I'm betting on Siemens, as I expect the PPE... but I don't know for sure  | It's definitely Siemens/Conti-VDO:
Quote: | Address 01: Motor
Part Number SW: 03G 906 018 DH HW: 03G 906 018 DH
Component: R4 2.0l PPD1.2 G 1185
Encoding: 0000078
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Unfortunately, he/she is not 250 years old. With very stiff 230/Tacho, it's time to stop (which probably corresponds to the registered 223).
Greetings
Pete *Die Fahrbahn ist ein graues Band, weisse Streifen, grüner Rand* |
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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27-03-2008, 22:18 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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I admit that the 250 is only according to {SOURCE}. Speedometer and, with the help of a Berg inside  Transparency, Teamwork
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hharry Blaumann

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28-03-2008, 10:31 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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dieselmartin wrote: | Hmm
The vehicle is registered under the license plate 206. That means everything is fine.
What software version does your motor control unit (ECU) have?
A 11/2006 variant with the BMP engine in my environment is actually running at 220-230 km/h according to the speedometer.
m; |
I'll try to read it out over the weekend. I recently bought an old interface from Uwe Ross from the early days in the USA, and I haven't tested it on my new Passat yet. It worked perfectly on my Golf 4. |
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30-03-2008, 18:47 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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The Passat 3C requires a CAN-Bus interface. You won't get far with an ancient one  |
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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30-03-2008, 22:21 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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As far as I know, the engine is still using the K-Line.
The transmission, too.
But then, communication becomes impossible.
m; Transparency, Teamwork
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17-06-2008, 0:08 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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Hello, I (professionally) drive a Golf V with a 2.0 TDI engine and 140 horsepower, and it looks the same. Where can I view and potentially edit this boundary? |
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dieselschrauber Administrator


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17-06-2008, 13:27 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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In the dataset. There's nothing you can do with a VAG-COM/VCDS to check or edit this, because it's handled differently than the adjustable top speed limit.
Best regards, Rainer Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Rainer Kaufmann - dieselschrauber VCDS Shop |
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25-06-2008, 19:48 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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What does this mean? What tools can be used to edit it? Who could do something like that?
Why was this restriction introduced? |
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Stefan-TDI Blaumann

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29-06-2008, 21:55 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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To ensure longevity, the engine has been reduced in power. |
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30-06-2008, 8:26 Subject: Limitation Maximum Speed Passat 3C 140PS TDI DPF |
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Shelf life?
Well, of course, there are reasons that make sense. For example, if the registered maximum speed has been reached, then it should be sufficient. Only a nice man like Rainer can help you now, who can assign other information to your MSG's internal components...
Perhaps manufacturers are trying to demonstrate improved performance more effectively. I don't know how many idiots are constantly speeding on the highway in their cheapest, performance-enhanced vehicles and what gets left behind on the road... |
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