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Post13-12-2009, 12:43    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

...Hello.
I installed an aftermarket heated seat system, including the entire wiring harness, and now the engine won't start... I have a 1.9 diesel engine... I'm desperate... what could be the problem?

...there is no error message...

...I just noticed that the glow plug unit isn't working before I try to start the engine... it can't be due to the recent modifications, right???


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Post13-12-2009, 12:46    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

Okay, have you checked the basics? Is the battery dead? Does the interior lighting turn off when you try to start the car?

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...I just noticed that the glow plug unit isn't turning on before you start the engine
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More likely, the battery is drained if the starter motor isn't turning. I think your seat heater might also be heating up while the car is stationary.


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Post13-12-2009, 12:49    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

No, none of that is the case... as I said, the preheating unit isn't activating. Could it be related to terminal 30, from which I took the positive connection for the seat heater?


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Post13-12-2009, 12:56    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

Then you should probably provide some more information about the vehicle, the modifications, and things that have already been tested.


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Post13-12-2009, 13:16    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

...is a 4-door Golf TDI...

Yesterday, I installed a wiring harness for the seat heaters, and since then, the car won't start because the glow plug unit isn't activating when I turn the ignition key.


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Post13-12-2009, 13:25    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

I assume this is only indirectly related to the wiring harness installation. You must have connected the cables to the potential distribution block in the fuse box, right? If so, I would say that relay 109 is faulty and is no longer switching due to your tinkering. Relay 109 is known for having cold solder joints, and is often a source of errors. Just try bridging the load circuits of this relay; if it then works, you'll know what the problem is. If it doesn't work, you can rule it out.
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Post13-12-2009, 13:39    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

...this relay isn't located in the fuse box, but rather in a socket underneath the steering wheel, where I screwed the positive wire to terminal 30, right?


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Post13-12-2009, 13:45    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

hoepfelchecker wrote:
...this relay isn't located in the fuse box, but rather in a socket underneath the steering wheel, where I screwed the positive wire to terminal 30, right?

Yes, that's what I mean. On the relay holder, there are also fuses. I expressed myself a little clumsily above. icon_redface.gif
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Post13-12-2009, 13:48    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

...and what should I do next?
So, is it not at terminal 30 where I'm connecting the positive wire, or what?


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Post13-12-2009, 13:52    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

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...and how am I supposed to proceed now?

Read what I've written and do it.
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Post13-12-2009, 13:54    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

...hmm, yes, and how do I handle the bridging?


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Post13-12-2009, 14:12    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

Take a piece of cable, strip the insulation from both ends, and insert it into the contacts of the load circuit. But please don't ask me now how to strip a cable. icon_wink.gif
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Post13-12-2009, 14:13    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

"Remove the relay and first check if there is voltage at terminal 30. If there is, then bridge terminal 30 to terminal 86."


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Post13-12-2009, 14:15    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

schrauber2904 wrote:
if so, then you bridge terminal 30 to 86.

Terminal 86, according to DIN standards, is the control terminal on a relay. Terminal 87 is the load terminal. However, this is also usually indicated on the relay itself.
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Post13-12-2009, 14:34    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

Okay, I've bypassed it now, but unfortunately, that's not leading to any results either; the engine still won't start.


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Post13-12-2009, 14:39    Subject: Car Won't Start? Troubleshooting Guide Quote

...Thank you everyone, the problem is now solved... Fuse 29 was not quite properly inserted icon_sad.gif now it's working again.


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