Performance drop at top speed after Abt chip tuning

Hello everyone!

I'm new here, but I still hope to do everything right, so I'm posting my problem here.
I drive an Audi A4, model year 1996, with a 1.9 TDI engine (110 horsepower) and an AFN engine code.

This weekend, I bought and installed a used engine control unit (with identical part numbers) that has an *** chip installed. Then, I had the immobilizer (VAG 1551) synchronized, and everything seemed to work perfectly at first! The increased power (now 132 hp) was noticeably felt during acceleration.

Then I got on the highway to test the top speed.
The suit was and is great overall, however, when I exceeded 200 km/h (with the tachometer reading over 4000 RPM), I suddenly experienced a loss of power!
But when I got back down below 200 km/h, everything was fine again!
And that's also the case now, so I'm going to limit my speed to 200 km/h for now.

Okay, here's the translation:

Now, my questions:
What is the cause of this decline in performance?
Is it possible that the engine control unit, or the chip inside it, is defective?
Could it be related to the turbocharger? By the way, it has already covered over 150,000 kilometers.
The engine is a replacement engine and still has a warranty.
I was given the advice that the gears inside the turbocharger's turbine are not supposed to be exposed in the high-pressure area. Could that be possible?
What is the cost of such a rod and its installation? How?
What other causes could there be?
The turbocharger can't be broken yet, right?
Because the full power is available in the suit, and it can reach speeds up to 200 [units - e.g., km/h, mph].

I'm feeling quite desperate because I don't know how to act and I'm worried about whether more things might break! Or should I perhaps reinstall the old control unit?
Unfortunately, I don't have that anymore. If I did, I would try it and see if the error occurs in that case as well. Actually, everything was fine with the control unit at the final speed.
I'm hoping to find someone who has experienced something similar before, or who is knowledgeable about this topic.

I haven't had the engine control unit read yet.
Does this cost money?

Thank you and best regards.
Carsten.

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Hallo,

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Woraus resultiert dieser Leistungseinbruch?

keine Ahnung, die Glaskugel ist grad kaputt.
Was sagt der Fehlerspeicher des Motorsteuergeräts, wenn das Problem auftritt?

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Ist es möglich, dass das Motorsteuergerät, oder der Chip defekt ist?

Möglich ist alles...

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Der Motor ist ein Austausch Motor mit noch Garantie.

Solltest Du dran denken bei Motor-Tuning. Im Fall des Falles kanns teuer werden.

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Mir wurde ein Tip gegeben, dass das Getänge im Turbolader in dem hohem Bereich nicht mehr gängig sein soll. Kann das sein?

Ja

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Was kostet so ein Gestänge und der Einbau? Wie?

Das Gestänge gibts nicht einzeln zu kaufen. Wäre auch blödsinnig, den Hebel der ne klemmende Mechanik im Turbolader bewegt auszutauschen.
Das wär so, wie wenn Du Dirn Fuß gebrochen hast und Dir dann neue Schuhe kaufst...

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Der Turbolader kann doch (noch) nicht kaputt sein, oder?

Nein, aber bald. Was verstehst Du unter 'kaputt'? Kaputt kann auch heißen 1l Ölverbrauch aufgrund defekter Wellenlagerung/-abdichtung.

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Bin etwas verzweifelt, da ich nicht weiß wie ich mich verhalten soll und ob da weiterhin etwas kaputt gehen kann!??

1.) Ohne Fehlerspeicher auslesen wenn der Fehlergerade aufgetreten ist, geht gar nix
2.) Ja, auf Dauer kann was kaputt gehen
3.) Du solltest erstmal das lesen:

https://community.dieselschrauber.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=3285

Grüße, Rainer

Okay, I just went to the Audi dealer and had the error codes read.
The following error occurred:
00553 028
Air Mass Meter - G70
Short circuit after positive voltage.
intermittent error
sporadic error
occasional error

Does that mean the mass airflow sensor is defective?
Could there be other causes for the error message?
Is it also possible that the shaft in the turbocharger can't handle the higher pressures caused by the chip, simply because it has never operated in that range before? Or is it possible to rule out such an error message?

Furthermore, I would like to know the difference between the Garrett turbochargers with part numbers 028 145 702 C and 028 145 702 H. I inquired and found that the turbocharger with the 'C' at the end is for my A4 model year, while the turbocharger with the 'H' at the end is for the A4 models from the year 1998 onwards. However, both turbochargers are for the same engine code, which is AFN. Could I also install a part with the designation 028 145 702 H in my car?

Thank you again for your answers.
and I hope to receive a more competent answer this time than before.

Regards,
Carsten.

Hello,

You've almost already given yourself the answer.
It could be a faulty mass airflow sensor or its wiring to the control unit.

Fix this error first, and for now, forget about the boost pressure control.
Tip: Try logging the measurement blocks along with the mass airflow readings.

Best regards, Rainer.

Hi,

and check the fuel supply. If the fuel pressure is incorrect, the injection timing will revert to an earlier setting.

The effect could be as follows: As the engine speed increases, the ESP (electric fuel pump) draws in more diesel. This increases the vacuum in the suction line. If this line is not completely airtight, or if the filter is already somewhat clogged, it could draw in air. This leads to pressure fluctuations/pressure drops in the ESP, which affects the injection timing, which is pressure-controlled.

Mine had the exact same thing.


I agree with Rainer that the error entries need to be corrected first. If necessary, temporarily replace the mass airflow sensor (MAF) using the diode method and see if it makes a difference.

I don't think it's a turbo, and I don't think it's a can or a rod.
If the turbocharger bearings were to suddenly seize up at full throttle, which corresponds to a power output of approximately 25 kW (!) in the turbo, it would be scrap metal just milliseconds later. If the rod is jammed, it would likely jam again when it's under full pressure. The resulting pressure spike would shut down the turbocharger via the MSG (Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor), at least until the next start.

I don't think it's the motor either, but if you already had an original MSG and an AT engine with a warranty, it wasn't smart to give that up. If the engine has any more issues and you have the tuned MSG (engine control unit) installed, you've essentially sold the MSG cheaply and can use the money to buy a new engine!

Let me read how the story continues.

Hello!

How should I log the measurement blocks along with the air mass measurement values?

And you, 'garth.brooks', did you also get the exact same error message when you encountered your problem?
And what exactly should I do to control the fuel supply?
And what exactly is the diode method, and how does it work?

If the engine ever has a problem, I'll find a replacement original control unit beforehand and only then will I go to the dealer.

Thank you and best regards.
Carsten.

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Hallo Carsten,

Relaxanz wrote:

Hallo! Wie soll ich denn die Messwertblöcke mit Luftmassenmesswerten loggen?

https://community.dieselschrauber.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=3089

Relaxanz wrote:

Und bei dir "garth.brooks", hattest du bei deinem Problem auch genau die Fehlermeldung? Und was sollte ich genau unternehmen um die Kraftstoffzufuhr zu kontrollieren? Und um was handelt es sich bei der Diodenmethode und wie geht die?

Ich bin mal so frei und antworte...
Fehlermeldung: nein, dann würde es Probleme mit dem Spritzbeginn des ESP geben
Kraftstoffzufuhr: siehe der Link in meinen vorherigen Postings
Diodenmethode: Ersatz eines kaputten HFM/LMM durch eine Siliziumdiode (zu Testzwecken).
https://community.dieselschrauber.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=3347

Grüße, Rainer

'The thing about the 'everything is OK' error message is true; it doesn't actually indicate anything is wrong, and the workshop will just send you home.'
'It says 'The chip probably turned off' !!! ??? '

As a former full-time software developer, I wondered how the MSG could have reprogrammed itself, and I never contacted those friends again.

Otherwise: Searching is rewarding, especially in this forum.


Okay, one more thing - I can't really imagine an MSG (Message System) defect either. It's possible, of course, but since it's mostly digital technology, it's more likely to be related to digital errors.

Okay, either it works or it doesn't. Usually, there's nothing in between.

I've also experienced the LMM error 2-3 times!

It appeared, and then it was gone!

Just observe!

P.S. My boost pressure sensor and mass airflow sensor have 225,000 km on them after being modified!

Regards,

Manuel.

Good tuners also reduce the power output slightly, even at peak RPM and high speeds, perhaps to the original level, so that the engine can handle full throttle for longer distances... which is what's expected of a TDI.

Hello everyone!

Regarding the previous comment:
I believe that *** is a reputable tuning company and that they considered features like that.
But even so, the performance at top speed shouldn't drop off that drastically.

And regarding the second-to-last comment:
I'm relieved to hear that someone has experience with this and is reporting positive results.

And to the others:
I bypassed the mass airflow sensor using the diode method this weekend.
And then the error was gone, and I could easily reach top speed.
Okay, I'll go ahead and buy a new mass airflow sensor, and then it should work again, right?

The forums and tips here are really very comprehensive and also very good.
However, accessing the data from my vehicle using a laptop seems a bit too complicated for me. It's not that I wouldn't be able to do it, but I simply don't have the time, and I'm not a mechanic or working in the automotive industry.
I think it's great that someone developed something like this and is now using it!
I would really need to delve deeply into those kinds of things, and that's something I'm not able to do right now.

I will post again as soon as I have the new LMM installed in the car and have tested it.

I must say, I'm very impressed with this internet domain; I wouldn't have thought it was possible to create something so well and comprehensively.

Regards,
Carsten.

Hello,

Thank you for the compliment!

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But, for example, accessing the data of my vehicle using a laptop seems a bit too extreme to me.

When it comes to the mass airflow sensor , the diode method can be a reliable way to detect a defect.
In many other cases, you simply have no other option than to check what's happening inside the corresponding control unit.

Best regards, Rainer.

Hi, I'm not going to just leave it like that with the issue of it being too complicated to use VAGCom for reading the data.

Here's what needs to be done:

Acquire an interface, if necessary, buy it on eBay and resell it later.
Get a laptop (someone has one).
Download VAGCom Shareware.
Find the OBD port in the car.
Infecting.
Let's get started.

If you consider that you're exchanging something that's perfectly fine for something else with a 50% chance of being broken, it's still a highly profitable investment.

Hello Garth,

I've already seen that there are cables like that available.
But there are several, one for OBD, one for OBD2, and also one for USB.
Is an OBD serial connection sufficient? Do I need an adapter for that?
What do I need for my Audi A4, model year 1996, TDI?
There's a socket in the center console, located in the ashtray for the rear passengers.

You're right, once you have the cable and the connection established.
It shouldn't be a problem anymore.

But why would they exchange something that isn't even broken?
Can I use this to prove something, or to determine what can be ruled out?

Thank you and best regards.
Carsten.

OBD serial communication is sufficient, provided that the available device still has an RS232 port.
The "noble" USB version is intended for the neutered, newer models of the "Schleppi" (likely a specific product name).

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But why would they exchange something with me that isn't even broken?

What do you think this forum exists for, thankfully?

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Can I use this to prove something, or to determine what can be ruled out?

Do you really have such strong reservations about looking at some professional articles? Reading educates...
The pressure relief valve of the modules is being stressed.
OlBe.

Hello,

Relaxanz wrote:

Hello Garth, I've already seen that there are cables like that available. But there are several, one for OBD, one for OBD2, and also one for USB.

OBD1 and OBD2 stand for On-Board Diagnostics version 1/2. USB = Universal Serial Bus.
USB is a bus system in a computer and has nothing to do with OBD initially. It's simply the physical connection for a diagnostic adapter. Besides USB versions, there are also adapters available for the PC's serial port.
Your A4 TDI, manufactured in 1996, does not support OBD2. However, you can still read all relevant control unit information using VAG-COM. The software offers at least the same range of functions as the original VAG diagnostic system, and in some cases, it even exceeds it.

Relaxanz wrote:

Is an OBD serial connection sufficient? Do I need an adapter for that?

Yes, if you have a serial port on your PC/laptop.

Relaxanz wrote:

What do I need for my Audi A4, model year 1996, TDI?

Current offers in the online shop, for hobby use, I recommend this one. Or, you could simply take a look at a diagnostic article.

Relaxanz wrote:

But why would they exchange something that isn't even broken?

Because they want to make money, or simply are unable (do you keep replacing parts until the error is gone)?

Relaxanz wrote:

Can I use this to prove something, or to determine what can be ruled out?

If you go through the technical articles on dieselschrauber.de, the answer is a clear YES.

Best regards, Rainer.