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...does it make a difference?

Basically, I don't think the suggestion of boosting the competition in that way is a bad idea.
It's strange that, of all places, in Selb, which is right on the Czech border and where everyone already goes to fill up their tanks "across the border," the gas prices are always 5 cents higher than in Nuremberg... There must be some mistake somewhere.

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Control of gasoline prices. How it works, gasoline prices will be absolutely high until the summer. Reaching record highs - according to experts, approximately 130.9 carats per liter. Normalbenzin oder mehr. Ihr wollt, dass die Benzinpreise sinken? The bedarf einer intelligenten und vor allem gemeinsamen Aktion. Phillip. Hollsworth had the following idea, which makes MUCH MORE SENSE than... Suggestions on how to avoid getting gas on a particular day (like...). which has been suggested on several occasions). Oil companies are laughing about it because they know exactly that we won't. endlos selber "wehtun", indem wir kein Benzin kaufen. Someday, we must... we're refueling. This idea is more of an inconvenience for us. as it would harm the oil companies. But this new idea could... really help to lower the price of gasoline - therefore, PLEASE READ. GET INVOLVED!!! We need to show the oil companies that we - the... Customers - they have the power, not the other way around. With constantly increasing... Benzinpreisen müssen wir, die Kunden anfangen zu handeln. The only. The possibility of forcing gasoline prices down exists if we... individually harm certain communities by increasing the price of their gasoline. Do not buy. This can have a significant impact on overall gasoline prices. to have, and potentially force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of the year, there will be NO MORE gasoline available at the two largest [companies/stations/etc.]. BUY FROM THESE PROVIDERS (SHELL AND ARAL)!!!!! IF YOU RUN OUT OF GAS. TO SELL, YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF FORCED TO LOWER PRICES TO ATTRACT CUSTOMERS. TO RECONNECT. If the two largest companies lower their prices, the other companies will... They must follow certain rules. If they then raise the prices again, the game is over. Let's start from the beginning. To be successful with this system, as many people as possible must... Be aware of this. So, please forward this email to everyone you know. I'm sending it to about 30 people - if you could also forward it to about 20 others. or if more are sent and they are returned as well, the number will... "Rapidly increase the number of recipients and reach a large audience in a very short time." Millions of people can reach. If we can work together, achieve their goals - and only then! We, the customers, have the power, not the other way around!!!!! PLEASE ALL HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER AND MAINTAIN THEIR PRICES. THIS SYSTEM HAS ALREADY WORKED IN OTHER COUNTRIES (e.g., CANADA, where... Consequently, the price was forced down by almost 12 cents per liter. ESPECIALLY DURING THE UPCOMING HOLIDAY SEASON AND SUMMER VACATION. WE CAN ACHIEVE A LOT. COMPANIES LOVE EVENTS LIKE THESE. Note regarding the original email: Since ARAL was acquired by BP, you can no longer refuel at BP stations either. refuel!

Best regards, Rainer.

I can already imagine that something like that could work.

The fact that prices are so high in Sleb is probably due to something else. Due to its history, there are likely a small number of gas stations there, and they are probably small. The fact that perhaps only 30% of the residents in Germany use gas stations there isn't necessarily a bad thing.

We would be severely impacted by a large Aral gas station with 13 pumps. They would have to intervene, which the smaller gas stations in Selb would not have to.

Great idea, but I'm not sure about the widening method; I don't know if it will expand that quickly.
"But it could be distributed through newspapers or via shareware platforms like eMule, eDonkey, and Kazaa."
so that the message can spread more quickly .

What made you change your mind?

Here, it was still a chain letter...

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You probably haven't filled up your gas tank in a long time .

Hi,

I believe the idea will only work if manufacturers actually have the ability to lower fuel prices without sacrificing their own profits.
I think a significant factor is the sharp rise in raw material prices due to the economic boom in Asia at the time. It's not just oil; look at the price of steel, for example. A golf club will soon cost approximately 99 euros more, just considering the increase in the price of steel...
Read some truly reputable newspapers and get a comprehensive overview. Then you'll realize that a boycott of gas stations probably won't achieve much.

Greetings.

Eike.

So, Shell and Aral (more precisely, BP) – it really doesn't matter where you get gas...

Take a look at who produces the largest share of fuels in Germany, and specifically, who owns the refineries.

CU Gremlin.

This method actually only works if oil companies try to increase their profit margins through deliberately timed price increases, for example, last year around Easter. They exploited the predictable surge in travel associated with the Easter holiday.

However, the current global market situation also plays a role in this particular case, and that approach simply won't work. Corporations are not charities; they have to pass on the increased purchase prices for their oil somehow.

Im übrigen glaube ich aber, daß so eine Methode nie funktionieren wird, denn sie scheitert an der Disziplin der meisten Autofahrer. So ein Boykott sollte man nämlich länger als 3 Tage durchhalten und auch billigen Lockangeboten trotzen. Das Nobody does.

Best regards,

Hi everyone,

Actually, the idea is quite good, but unfortunately, it's also quite nonsensical.
Here in Wesseling, we have two refineries, both of which are part of the Shell group.
Since every gas station in the area is supplied by these refineries, this whole action seems pointless. Even if I fill up at a 'free' station, the vast majority of the money still ends up back in the pockets of the large corporations.

The only alternative would be to use gas stations located near the border in neighboring countries, but this has already been a common practice for a long time. However, so far, this has only negatively impacted the gas station operators on the German side.

Unfortunately, the only solution is to reduce fuel consumption, whether through more economical driving habits or by switching to alternative modes of transportation like public transport or cycling. Perhaps some people could also consider forming carpools.

The priority is always to protect one's own wallet, which inevitably affects corporations as well.

ADAC und AvD rufen schon seit längerem zu den o.a. Initiate actions.

A year ago, one out of three pubs in this area closed down because the brewery, with which the owner had a contract, increased the beer prices. The citizens' protest manifested as a 'boycott' of this beer brand. The owner subsequently went bankrupt, the pub is now empty, and the more expensive beer is still being sold at the same price.

It always seems to affect the wrong people...


Regards...


....... Kuhni!

Hmm, let's look at this from a different perspective: Are corporations to blame for the high taxes in Germany?

'Just like it always says on Aral gas stations: Tax of €0.73 per liter.'

Best regards, WarLord.

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Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate.

Hello diesel mechanics,

Certainly, you are right, considering that the state profits the most. All the fuels in the central German region come from the Leuna 2000 refinery. Except for Shell, which was only temporarily stored in Dortmund (Düsseldorf?) until recently; now, all of it is supplied from there. The production cost of the fuel was previously about 12 cents, but I believe it is now about 16 cents. Last year, the fuel prices rose by about 10 cents due to the high dollar exchange rate. Now, if we look at the dollar exchange rate, I wonder where the significant price reductions are? There is a difference of about 30-40 cents per Euro (at the time, 0.82 cents per EUR, today about 1.20). Now, of course, the price increases are again attributed to the high crude oil prices. The small profit margin of the small gas stations... I just wonder why the stock prices have climbed so high (with profits almost in the double digits!).
Happy are those who invested there.

Best regards, Manuel.

Hello,

"...even though I might not make any friends by saying this... I still think that gasoline is far too cheap, and people are still too comfortable about leaving their cars parked (we're already stuck in traffic on Sundays) or not driving as economically as they should."

No one can tell me that they're suffering huge losses just because they occasionally drive a little further to the right on the way home, which is what happens 99.99% of the time. And you don't need some ridiculous Lupo that only pays for itself after 250,000 km for that. I can easily drive 1500-1600 km on a single tank of gas with my large Passat (with appropriate driving). If everyone did that, it would hurt the oil companies (and especially the government).

I find this whole display of prestige surrounding cars in Germany quite absurd. We should all learn (especially Americans) to use limited resources responsibly. Unfortunately, this can only be achieved through price regulation, which also means that soon the poor will no longer be able to afford cars... and so on.

haehnlein wrote:

Hello, "...even though I might not make any friends by saying this... I still think that gasoline is far too cheap, and people are still too comfortable about leaving their cars parked (we're already stuck in traffic on Sundays) or not driving as economically as they could." No one can tell me that he's suffering huge losses just because he occasionally drives a little further to the right on the way home, something that happens in only 0.01% of cases. And you don't need a ridiculous Lupo for that, a car that only pays for itself after 250,000 km. I can easily drive 1500-1600 km with a full tank in my large Passat (with appropriate driving). If everyone did that, it would hurt the oil companies (and especially the government). I find this whole display of prestige surrounding cars in Germany quite absurd. We should all learn (especially Americans) to handle limited resources responsibly... etc. etc.

Hello Christian,

The problem is that I have to drive 60 km (30 km each way) to work every day, and my girlfriend has to drive 74 km (37 km each way).
Yesterday, while my girlfriend was checking the online job portal, she only found 3 job postings that were relevant to her, including 1 temporary agency position where the pay is so low that it's practically the same as staying home. I, on the other hand, found 4 job postings.
So. And this is now throughout the entire city of Nuremberg. That is, despite the fact that there are only a few job openings, and they are completely awful, hundreds of people will apply.

Should I move to Erlangen? Or should my girlfriend move to Nuremberg?
Should we move every time we change jobs? Who knows how long anyone will have their job these days. I certainly don't know how long I'll have mine.

The total cost of owning a car (fuel, insurance, taxes) has long been beyond our means, but there simply isn't an alternative. Public transportation is out of the question; it rarely aligns with your location, departure point, job, and working hours. And how often does it actually work out for anyone?

To be honest, I wonder how other families manage when neither parent can work and the costs of car maintenance extend beyond just spare parts and engine oil.
I'm going to say that the effects of this disastrous policy will become clear with a delay, and that only luxury cars and pedestrians will remain... thus, the appropriate differences will finally be visible in everyday life again. Well, haven't we seen this all before?

And nobody does anything about it.

Best regards, Rainer.

Rainer K. wrote:

The problem is, I have to drive 2 x 30 km to work every day, and my girlfriend has to drive 2 x 37 km. Yesterday, while my girlfriend was checking the online job portal, she only found 3 job postings that were relevant to her, including 1 temporary agency position where the pay is so low that it's practically the same as staying home. I, on the other hand, found 4 job postings. So. And this is now throughout the entire city of Nuremberg. That is, despite the fact that there are only a few job openings, and they are completely awful, hundreds of people will apply. Should I move to Erlangen? Or should my girlfriend move to Nuremberg? Should we move every time we change jobs? Who knows how long anyone will have their job these days. I certainly don't know how long I'll have mine. The total cost of owning a car (fuel, insurance, taxes) has long been beyond our means, but there simply isn't an alternative. Public transportation is out of the question; it rarely aligns with your location, departure point, job, and working hours. And how often does it actually work out for anyone? To be honest, I wonder how other families manage when neither parent can work and the costs of car maintenance extend beyond just spare parts and motor oil. I'm going to say that the effects of this disastrous policy will become clear with a delay, and we'll only see luxury cars and ordinary people... this will finally make the appropriate differences visible in everyday life again. Well, haven't we seen this all before? And nobody does anything about it. Greetings, Rainer

Hi Rainer,

I know that things are unfair in this country: the rich don't pay taxes, and families are the ones who suffer. We could write hundreds of pages about this... Unfortunately, we have to live with these conditions, and soon there will only be retirees left, and no new generations. You can't expect anything from the politicians. Most of them studied law, and accordingly, nothing will change in the tax system or the overall arrogant complexity of this country. We need a new party that isn't controlled by companies like Siemens and Telekom, etc., etc.

Yes... My favorite topic: fuel costs.

I feel the same way as Rainer. I have a daily commute of 55 km each way, twice a day (Bayreuth-Hof-Bayreuth). Public transportation is not an option, let alone cycling or walking.
Well, what can I do? I've already optimized my fuel consumption as much as possible (driving on the highway at 120-130 km/h, very anticipatory driving, etc.), but I still have to refuel. Now, this Trittin wants to introduce a car toll. It's probably only a matter of time before the vehicle tax is increased again. Unfortunately, I can only afford a Euro 2 vehicle...

How far will this go? If all those affected (the 'working people') were to work together, I'm sure something could be achieved. But how do you mobilize something like that!?

Oh dear!

Here's my two cents: I also drove the Suhl-Coburg-Suhl route every day until the end of October, covering a total of approximately 110 km. It wasn't ideal, but unfortunately unavoidable because I couldn't find a job in Thuringia. I would have much preferred to use public transportation. Unfortunately, there's no direct bus; it requires multiple transfers. Furthermore, using public transport would have made it impossible for me to adhere to my core working hours. It would have been completely impossible to use the train.
Since November, I've been working in Munich (and I drive home on the weekends). If I were to take the train, I would be paying many times the current diesel costs, and instead of a 3-4 hour journey, I would be traveling for at least 6-8 hours with at least 3 transfers. And cycling 350 km is probably a bit too far!

I also support lowering or capping fuel prices. However, I don't believe this approach is very effective. Here's an example of how impactful these calls for action have been in the past:
http://www.tu-berlin.de/www/software/hoax/tankentxt.shtml

'My approach is to fill up at whichever gas station has a reasonable price at the moment, regardless of how full the tank already is. It sometimes happens that Shell or Aral might be an option, because they sometimes lower their prices by a few cents per liter for a short period before a price increase. If you happen to come across one of those situations and the prices at the surrounding stations are higher, why not fill up at Shell or Aral?'

Well, what Mr. Stolpe said over the weekend... !