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Achim Guest
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10-11-2004, 10:04 Subject: Engine Stalling, TCS Light On: Troubleshooting Guide |
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Hi,
The following error occurred twice this morning.
The TCS (Traction Control System) warning light came on for the first time while driving, and seconds later, the engine shut off.
Ignition off, on => Engine restarts => Drove further, but experiencing jerking at low speeds.
Revolutions.
The second time, about 50 km later, I stopped at the gas station. When I turned on the TCS (Traction Control System), the engine immediately shut off.
Ignition off, same as before.
The following error messages are stored in the fault memory:
Error code: 17971.
Quantity setting N146, lower limit value.
Error code: 17969.
Set point N146, control difference.
My questions about this are:
Could it really only be caused by the quantity adjuster, and is it normal for the engine to then...?
'Does this indicate a specific component failure, or could a faulty relay 109 also cause these error messages?'
P.S.
Mileage: 129,000 km. Engine control unit (ECU) optimized since approximately 95,000 km.
'For the last 3000 km, the injectors are still using the original size (0.216), and the engine control unit has not been adjusted => resulting in a rich fuel mixture at full load.'
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Achim Guest
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11-11-2004, 8:47 Subject: Engine Stalling, TCS Light On: Troubleshooting Guide |
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Hi,
Too bad, but no one can comment on that.
Sure, I will translate the text from German to English and provide only the translation without any explanations. Please provide the text you would like me to translate.
Is it normal for the engine to exhibit these symptoms when the fuel injector quantity control valve is defective?
Should it immediately shut down, or should it switch to emergency mode?
The error has not occurred again so far.
Thank you for the answers.
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Bertil Profi-Schrauber

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11-11-2004, 9:25 Subject: Engine Stalling, TCS Light On: Troubleshooting Guide |
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Hi,
The oracle says the following:
/viewtopic.php?t=472&highlight=asv+17971
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Error code: 17971
Quantity setting N146, lower limit value.
Possible causes:
Quantity setting (N146) defective/blocked.
Lower price target reached.
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Error code: 17969.
Set point N146, control difference.
Possible causes:
Fuel injection pump failure.
Power outage or short circuit.
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Relay 109 can generate all sorts of nonsensical error messages, but since both errors in your case point towards a defect in or related to the ESP (Electronic Stability Program), I don't believe it's the relay 109.
If the mass airflow sensor is blocked and proper regulation can no longer be ensured, the engine will shut off.
How about the cable connections on the ESP (Electronic Stability Program)? Are they okay? It's possible that water got in there and is now causing problems with your EDC (Electromechanical Cylinder). Gruß Bertil
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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11-11-2004, 21:18 Subject: Engine Stalling & TCS Light On - Troubleshooting |
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Achim wrote: | | For the first time while driving, the TCS control light comes on, |
Is the TCS light on your car also a signal for an engine defect (-> Read The Fine Manual)? Gruß Ulf
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Achim Guest
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11-11-2004, 22:15 Subject: Engine Stalling, TCS Light On: Troubleshooting Guide |
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Hi,
@ulf
Well, normally, when there are problems with the engine control system, the heating element will start blinking, which is quite common.
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand the subtle jab/hint.
What should I interpret from this?
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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12-11-2004, 15:26 Subject: Engine Stalling, TCS Light On: Troubleshooting Guide |
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Achim wrote: | Well, normally, when there are problems with the engine control unit, the filament will flash, which is understandable.
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand the subtle jab/hint.
What should I interpret from that? |
Nothing else, but the abbreviation is so catchy  .
And with the current abundance of information, almost everyone has to resort to fact-checking  in order to understand the exact meaning.
However, I have read several times (IIRC  , but it doesn't ask me where), that even engine defects would only be indicated by "external" lights. Gruß Ulf
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