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13-08-2002, 11:07 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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*d  again to the webmaster  *
hi @ all diesel-freaks,
I bought a new VW Golf 4 about 2 months ago with a 96kW TDI-PD engine.
machine achieved!
but now, I have a few questions:
- At what mileage (km) does the part become fully gas-resistant?
-I also installed a chip at around 2500 km.
leaving a genuine Bosch tuner untouched -> now I have
already 6000km 'on the clock' and performance is good, but my little
heizöl-ferrari rust extremely strong!!! (only when full throttle for a few seconds!)
What happened? Is excessive 'rusen' (presumably referring to a specific driving technique) while accelerating at full speed harmful or not?
can I do anything about it without retrofitting? or do I have to do that?
if I don't mind the Russian, will I break something?
funny white, he doesn't consume it anymore, but rather less!!!
According to the MFA, he only averages around 4.7 to 5.5 when driving slowly.
liters per 100km...
Furthermore, I am interested in what top speed a similarly powerful engine would achieve.
without a chip that runs at full throttle! Does anyone have some numbers for me?
1000thx in advance!!!
wetec
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13-08-2002, 15:17 Subject: hello??? |
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is this too pointless, or why can't someone share their experiences with it and the Russian development with me!?
...just wants to be able to sleep peacefully again...
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Bertil Profi-Schrauber

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13-08-2002, 15:35 Subject: Russian Problem |
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Hi wetec,
But you're being impatient...
Since I don't know the PD, I can only give you a general answer /viewtopic.php?t=820
Sorry, I can't say more right now (most people will arrive here later in the evening). GruĂ Bertil
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13-08-2002, 15:35 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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[Translating...]also, ich fahr nur einen ALH mit 90PS und der lÀuft als automatik 178 echte km/h ohne tuning und russ...
das erste mal vollgas autobahn hatte er bei ca. 2500km erlebt.
aber um dein zweites posting zu beantworten: die frage ist wohl nicht trivial, aber es ist dienstag und da arbeiten fast alle leute. innerhalb von knapp 4 stunden solltest du in einem forum keine antworten erwarten, vor allem wenns mitten am arbeitstag ist
geduld...
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13-08-2002, 16:34 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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[Translating...]Hallo Wetec,
mein Golf 4 96 kw lief am Anfang mit 195er RÀdern 205 km/h (1300 km). Ab ca. 5000 km wurde es besser und er lief mit sehr viel Anlauf (ca. 10 km) 218 km/h. In nem Windschatten von ner E-Klasse hat er es auch schon auf knapp 230 gebracht. Bergab lief er auch 230. Mit meinen 225er auf 7,5 Zoll Felgen und ET 35 lÀuft er ca. 210 - 212 km/h. Wenn er durch nen Berg auf 220 gebracht wurde, hÀlt er sich bei 218 km/h fest.
Bist du sicher, dass du nen Chip und keine Box hast ?? Bei nem richtigen, guten Chip wird dir der Verbrauch genau angezeigt. Bei ner Box zeigt er immer zu wenig an. Hatte ich bei meinem G3 AFN auch, Verbrauch mit Box auf der LandstraĂe bei normaler Fahrt: 2,7 l/100 km.
Stark ruĂen sollte er nicht, wenns zuviel ist verlange Nachbesserung.
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13-08-2002, 20:25 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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[Translating...]Hi !
Habe AUDI A6 Avant TDI 96 KW (MKB 'AWX') mit jetzt 7.600 KM (natĂŒrlich ohne Tuning).
LĂ€uft relativ schnell lt. Tacho 220, es waren auch schon mal knapp 235 (immer lt. Tacho, nicht lt. Klima).
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13-08-2002, 23:07 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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[Translating...]Hallo
Also wenn ich so etliche Threads hier mal zusammenfassen darf. Russ?? eigentlich die Folge von Verbrennung von Kraftstoff unter Sauerstoffmangel.
Oder??
Allerdings stellt sich auch die Frage, woher kommt der Ladedruck. Wenn man aufs Pedal lascht wird ja zunaechst die Kraftstoffmenge erhoeht werden muessen und dadurch steigt die Abgasmenge, die die Turbine antreibt.
Oder??
Andererseits russen Serienteile kaum und getunte fast immer und es gab auc schon mal einen Beitrag vonwegen, dass russende Teile nur verstellt, nicht getunt waeren.??
Muss sich halt jedr auslegen, wies seinem Tuner gefeallt, verstehen muss wohl nicht sein?
oder??
Gruss
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13-08-2002, 23:32 Subject: Re: hello??? |
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Hello,
wetec wrote: | is this too pointless, or why can't someone share their experiences with it and the Russian development with me!?
...he just wants to be able to sleep peacefully again... |
This forum is a free service. Do you expect people to sit here and wait for you to post something during normal working hours?
Please be a little more patient.
Becker, Heinz wrote: | | So, if I could summarize all these threads together. Russ? Actually, it's a consequence of fuel combustion under oxygen deficiency. |
Correct, possible causes can also include poor fuel atomization or a delayed injection timing.
Becker, Heinz wrote: | | However, the question also arises as to where the boost pressure comes from. When you press the pedal, you initially need to increase the amount of fuel, which in turn increases the amount of exhaust gases that drive the turbine. |
Also, there should not be any soot appearing at all as long as the turbocharger is functioning properly and all air/exhaust lines are leak-free.
Becker, Heinz wrote: | On the other hand, Russian-made parts are rarely tuned, while aftermarket parts are almost always tuned, and there have also been instances where it was suggested that Russian-made parts were not actually tuned, but merely modified.
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Yes, even a lot. Only a tuned engine suffering from lack of air will naturally be stronger than an untuned one, for example, due to a stuck AGR valve.
Hello, Rainer
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14-08-2002, 7:16 Subject: Summary |
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Hello Rainer,
take this summary from me and "Becker, Heinz" into the problem solution database. Such questions are asked and have already been asked thousands of times. The paragraph about black smoke could (possibly) also be extended. GruĂ Bertil
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14-08-2002, 8:09 Subject: thx |
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Oops,
'That's when I stirred up a lot of dust!'
Sorry, you're right about the break time and so on. I was just wondering if I might damage something?
Also, laut Tacho lÀuft mein Auto (mit 6000 km auf dem Tacho) problemlos 230 km/h, egal ob auf einer leichten Steigung oder einer geraden Strecke! Ich habe vor kurzem 215/45/17 Reifen montiert...also lÀuft er eigentlich ganz gut, wenn ich ihn mit anderen vergleiche!
He gets a strong pull only if I give it a quick full throttle and the vehicle suddenly pushes forward very strongly at 2000 rpm, at 2300 rpm the pull disappears and it continues to push...
I also actually had the control unit tuned -> no box!
Do I need to worry that I'm damaging something or have already damaged something because he abruptly floors the accelerator?
If I gradually increase the throttle, nothing bad happens...
thank you again,
and I will practice patience!
until this evening!
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14-08-2002, 8:11 Subject: Consumption |
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Sorry,
I forgot about the consumption aspect:
So, wenn ich wirklich nur normal und sanft fahre, verbraucht er auch wirklich nur 4,7 bis 5,5 Liter pro 100 Kilometer!
I've also been calculating this at every fill-up!
In fact, he is very economical...and he runs perfectly!
(oder sind 230 km/h, laut Tacho, nicht so viel fĂŒr einen 130 PS Motor?)
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14-08-2002, 11:33 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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[Translating...]Du musst bei deiner Tachoanzeige auch berechnen, dass er durch die 215/45 Reifen mehr vorgeht. Der Abrollumfang der Reifen ist kleiner als von der Standartbereifung.
Trotzdem sind 230 gut, schÀtze mal, dass das mit Org. Abrollumfang 225 sind. Viel mehr geht ja eh nicht, weil dem Motor obenrum aufgrund der hohen Drehzahl die Luft ausgeht. |
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14-08-2002, 13:47 Subject: tires |
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Okay, sure.
with the mature tires, you are right! if i have calculated correctly, that is exactly 226.63 km/h with the original tires!
So, is everything okay then?
What about a gear change, actually?
{QUESTION} Have you {READ} anything about this {BEFORE}!?
If you only allow the 6th gear to be changed at ***, so that the engine at 4000 rpm runs at 240 km/h according to the speedometer!!!
What would happen if you didn't always use this speed, but only temporarily?
Does this line of thinking actually work?
I know that the PD (generally Diesel) engine at the top is running out of air.
but a chipped engine should have performance reserves and still be able to rev up to 4000 rpm with the 6-speed transmission -> for more top speed!!!???
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14-08-2002, 14:38 Subject: Gear change |
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Hi,
Does he shift into the last gear?
If not, then the aerodynamic drag will limit your pursuit of higher top speed, and then a longer final gear ratio will result in LESS top speed!!!
Come on, figure out what your car needs in terms of power at Topspeed to overcome aerodynamic drag (--> Ulfscher DZR). GruĂ Bertil
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14-08-2002, 15:27 Subject: 96kw TDI-PD with a lot of "Russ" (presumably referring to engine oil or coolant) for nothing??? |
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[Translating...]das habe ich mir auch ĂŒberlegt, ob die power reicht!
aber,
der motor dreht bis 4000 u/min flott im 6gang hoch,
dort bleibt er aber auch fast! ich dachte das das bedingt durch die PD einspritzung kommt, die ja nach 4000 u/min extrem nachlassen.
daher getriebe Àndern - und die leistung und das drehmoment BIS 4000
nutzen.
der 90ps tdi meines bruder dreht natĂŒrlich bis 4500 (und höher), aber das muss doch ein PD auch nicht können, wenn vor 4000 die leistung da ist?!
deswegen frag ich euch ja,
ob die leistung nach dem chippen ausreicht, um mehr topspeed zu erhalten!!??
sicher ist mir auch bewusst, das ein diesel keine topspeed rakete ist,
aber man kann doch vielleicht eine draus machen  ...
WENN IHR SAGT DAS MAN DA NIX GROSSARTIG RISKIERT (ausser dem geld), DANN LASS ICH MIR DAS MA REIN BASTELN... |
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