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07-01-2012, 23:07 Subject: |
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In Austria, the complete cylinder head with valves and camshaft costs 1140 euros originally. Everything you need is included, except for the cylinder head gasket (PD O-rings, screws, etc.).
In our case, we only had a cylinder head without camshafts, which would have been more expensive than the original, if we had used the camshafts.
Is it free? See TPI 2020364/3
While it's a bit late, the approval was already granted on 02.02.2010 
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chli1976 Profi-Schrauber

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08-01-2012, 11:11 Subject: |
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Also auch bei einem Modell von 2004/2005 VCDS
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08-01-2012, 15:08 Subject: |
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Hi
mhm, so kann man also ziemlich sicher die 'Führungen' rund um das PD-Element verschweißen lassen... und es sollte auch möglich sein, dies nachtuzustellen... The problem will probably only be the head...
Laser welding might also work, but due to the large area, it would take too long and therefore be too expensive... except for the rework.
Regarding the PPDs, where are they located in the head? The 3 narrow rings of the standard ones must be getting used... do the PPDs lie on a wider area? The entire seating area looks different. Is this only a problem with the 16vs? They are already screwed in with 2 screws...
The next car from my parents will be another gasoline-powered car...
'However, it's kind of strange that some things last relatively long, while others have already failed after only 200,000 km.' My sister has had 3 Audi TDIs in the last 4 years, and they all had over 200,000 km on them when they were eventually scrapped. And in none of them were there any problems with the engine (just a few issues with the automatic transmissions...). Despite what I thought was a really bad driving style
Marc
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pa-mm6 Blaumann

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08-01-2012, 17:25 Subject: |
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BM wrote: | Are there perhaps also differences between PPD and the normal PD elements?
The PPDs appear to be, in fact, more precisely manufactured (see: Photo).
They also appear much smoother overall, and the guides seem to be designed to be more generous. Four weeks ago, I replaced two of them on a Passat 3C BKP. (Unfortunately, they don't really do much electrically). But I was already wondering why they hadn't been used up.
Quote: | | Maybe ask a welder to see if they can "cheaply" weld it (in their head) and then rework it... The shape of the seat in the head doesn't seem that complicated... | I think it's really not feasible.
I am looking for an affordable solution that is also feasible and durable.
What I have in mind roughly is the following:
Re-drilling of the hole in the ZK (both diameters) using a reamer or similar tool to a dimension X and Y until the hole is round again.
Pd's disassemble and generously remove damaged/faulty guides (Image Point 1) and replace with custom-made (pressed or crimped) rings. Then, machine to our size X and smooth. This would restore the upper guide. The aluminum guide part must be newly manufactured to the corresponding oversized dimensions X and Y. This could still be optimized regarding the engine compartment without narrowing the fuel channels.
Then you just need to find O-rings with an excess.
Whether all of this is feasible and the level of effort required is currently unknown to me. I'm struggling with the question of whether and how to restore the perfectly smooth surface of the ZK borehole.
A machine builder or engine repair technician should actually be able to say something about that.
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Hi,
Can you tell from the packaging or the PD element whether it is still produced by Siemens? I heard from a friend that the new version of these PPD elements is no longer produced by Siemens. These should be more durable and no longer so susceptible to clogging, allegedly the nozzles were coated differently...
Best regards
Tom Audi SQ5 8R Cvub
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08-01-2012, 17:47 Subject: |
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Has not only the 170 hp from Siemens VCDS
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08-01-2012, 18:12 Subject: |
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Hiho
yes, so BMN/BMR, etc...
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09-01-2012, 2:21 Subject: |
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Quote: | Is free. See TPI 2020364/3
While it's a bit late, the approval was already granted on 02.02.2010. |
Strange, 2  didn't know anything about it. The vehicle, as far as I know, has been sold. But the next one will definitely come. Nevertheless, thank you. Where can I find the content of the TPI?
Quote: | The 3 narrow rings must adjust... are the PPDs located on a wider area? The entire seating area looks different. Is this only a problem with the 16vs? They are already screwed in with 2 screws...
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2 screws, unfortunately, say nothing in this case, because here nothing is actually screwed together, but only tightened. The PD does not establish any connection/compression with the ZK on the screwing surface. The screws only press the PD into the lower cone of the ZK, without anything. In the event of wear and tear, everything that contributes to the guidance of the PD will naturally be worn away.
A few more grams of material in the right place would probably have made the structure more stable.
Perhaps the so-called specialists simply provided the supplier with incorrect measurements, so that the upper part was too small.
If this trend continues, where vehicles increasingly only stay together randomly and are only financed with a guarantee insurance, this would also constitute an intervention in the market (which should no longer be the case), while consumers are also afraid that they will have to take their vehicle to another place otherwise.
...it is the legislature that should be held accountable. 3B5 AJM
Wer nichts weiss, muss alles glauben.
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13-01-2012, 10:09 Subject: |
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Stummel wrote: | hello
Is this only a problem with the 16Vs? |
Are there any answers to this?
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13-01-2012, 10:15 Subject: |
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Nikolabob wrote: | Hello Stummel wrote: |
Is this only a problem with the 16Vs? |
Are there any answers to this? |
It depends, but 8V PDs often perform well even at high power outputs.
Maybe start a "nutty car survey" where people can indicate their mileage and engine code?
Best regards, Rainer
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GTI Blaumann

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17-01-2012, 12:22 Subject: |
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If I read all of this, I will have a completely different perspective. Apparently, only vehicles with the new PD elements are affected, right?
I now have 480,000 km on the odometer, and the seats and other components are still in good condition... I have only exchanged 2 PD units so far....
I believe that a PD car is the best thing that has ever happened to me! Tiguan Life Bj 2014 7-Gang DSG 2,0 TDI 4-Motion 177PS
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17-01-2012, 13:11 Subject: |
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GTI wrote: | When I read all of this, I feel completely different. Apparently, only vehicles with the new PD elements are affected, right?
I now have 480,000 km on the odometer, and the seats and other components are still in good condition... I have only exchanged 2 PD units so far....
I think that a PD car is the best thing that has ever happened to me! |
Hm, even with the "older" PDs, it sometimes happens that they become soft.
How did the seat look in the ZK during the PD swap? At what mileage was it? Were the PDs actually defective?
"It seems we're lucky with our PDs. My ARL, with 325,000 km, has never had the valve cover opened. Therefore, the PD components are original!" I hope this continues for a long time.
Also, machines like VP-TDI from AHF, ASV, AFN, etc., are also quite durable.
I'm rooting for you to reach the 500,000 km milestone! NA,Gehörlose wie ich können auch Schrauben! Ihr HÖRT ich FÜHLE! T3 TD EX-JX Jetzt 1Z mit 122PS und Renaultgetriebe Golf II TD Bj 84 512Tkm Passi 35I 1Z 468Tkm--> Seat Toledo AHF-- Toledo ARL 477Tkm mit Spritspartuning  99er T4 Syncro-Cross 100800km grad eingefahren
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18-01-2012, 9:29 Subject: |
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The seat in the ZK looked completely normal. verschandeln and tidy. I replaced the PD for cylinder 1 at 150,000 km. By the way, I also converted the remaining ones to a pan-fry.
ca. 2006:
VAG-COM Version: DRV 311.3-S
ECU Part Number: 038 906 019 AQ
Part and/or Version: 1.9l R4 EDC G000SG 1230
Encoding: 00002
Workshop Code: WSC 01317
1 Error found:
17669 - Pump/Nozzle Cylinder 1 (N240) Valve - Operating Limit Exceeded
P1261 - 35-00 - -
...then there was a period of calm...
03:40 21.08.2009 332304km
Friday, August 21, 2009, 03:39:55:54435
VCDS Version: RKS 805.4
Address 01: Motor
ECU Part Number: 038 906 019 AQ
Part and/or Version: 1.9l R4 EDC G000SG 1230
Encoding: 00002
Operating Number: WSC 01317
2 errors found:
17978 - Engine Control Unit (ECU) disabled
P1570 - 35-10 - - - Sporadisch
17672 - Pump/Nozzle Cylinder 2 (N241) Valve: Limit exceeded
P1264 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: 0 0 X X X
Many people say that you should always replace all or several PD elements... but I've never done that! Well, it's also a matter of cost. 460 € for a PD + some extras is enough for now. Tiguan Life Bj 2014 7-Gang DSG 2,0 TDI 4-Motion 177PS
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18-01-2012, 12:42 Subject: |
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I also think that you don't have to exchange all 4 at the same time.
So far, I seem to be spared from PD (Power Steering) failures, even after 325,000 km, it continues to function without any major problems, except for a slowly developing ZM (steering) defect. Apparently, there are very few ARLs that have run over 300,000 km because most have been heavily modified, which is not surprising. NA,Gehörlose wie ich können auch Schrauben! Ihr HÖRT ich FÜHLE! T3 TD EX-JX Jetzt 1Z mit 122PS und Renaultgetriebe Golf II TD Bj 84 512Tkm Passi 35I 1Z 468Tkm--> Seat Toledo AHF-- Toledo ARL 477Tkm mit Spritspartuning  99er T4 Syncro-Cross 100800km grad eingefahren
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18-01-2012, 14:31 Subject: |
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Yes yes, dear ZMS
I also experience vibrations and noises when accelerating out of a low RPM range...it could also be the rear suspension mount...or possibly all of them together
I'm just ignoring it... I've been driving for 200,000 km like this
At least, I still have the first clutch.
Wish you all the best, may it last forever  Tiguan Life Bj 2014 7-Gang DSG 2,0 TDI 4-Motion 177PS
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18-01-2012, 15:53 Subject: |
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Thank you  too!
Drive it until the bitter end.
I've also been ignoring it since around 250,000 km. I only noticed it when towing a caravan, but now even without a caravan, I can feel it at low speeds below 2200 RPM.
Eventually, the ZMS will start to wear out.
Is also the first clutch and ZMS. Even the LLM is the first
That's when it's good to let things break down. NA,Gehörlose wie ich können auch Schrauben! Ihr HÖRT ich FÜHLE! T3 TD EX-JX Jetzt 1Z mit 122PS und Renaultgetriebe Golf II TD Bj 84 512Tkm Passi 35I 1Z 468Tkm--> Seat Toledo AHF-- Toledo ARL 477Tkm mit Spritspartuning  99er T4 Syncro-Cross 100800km grad eingefahren
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18-01-2012, 22:46 Subject: |
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A friend of mine has a Golf IV ARL (manufactured in 2003) with 260,000 km.
Has anything ever been done to the engine, only replacement parts?
Over the last 110,000 km, it has had an *** chip installed, tuned to 178 PS.
I'd also be interested in seeing what the PD seats would look like, but 'never change a running system.'
Not that the seal wasn't still intact afterwards.
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