Euro 4 requirement not as "absolute" as previously thought?

Hello to the exhaust specialists,

Please take a look here.
http://www.ibiza-forum.de/forum/thread.php?postid=155194#post155194

According to this, (in my words) starting in 2005, all newly developed vehicles must meet the Euro 4 standard in order to obtain a "type approval" certificate.
Früher entwickelte Typen mit Euro 3 könnten aber weiter gebaut und auch als Neuwagen zugelassen werden . . .

Is that correct, or does anyone have definitive information to the contrary?
For example, a car built in December 2004 might not be registered before January 1, 2005, and the owner might not be able to get it registered before that date -> too bad?

Hi Ulf,

All ABE (General Operating Permits) submitted to the KBA (German Federal Motor Vehicle Office) starting January 1, 2004, for new registrations must fully comply with the EU4 emission standard (in your words, new developments).
Starting January 1st, 2005, only vehicles with the EU4 standard can be newly registered... correct.

Hi Ulf,

Ab dem 1.1.05 können nur noch Fahrzeuge mit EU4 Neu zugelassen werden ... richtig.

Yes, but if there isn't going to be any exception to that rule.
Then there should definitely be some shopkeepers offering those items at a ridiculously low price.
'It's even more unlikely that there will be any vehicles for sale that meet the Euro4 standard by then.'
greetings

PowerSound3L wrote:

Bertil wrote: Hi Ulf, Ab dem 1.1.05 können nur noch Fahrzeuge mit EU4 Neu zugelassen werden ... richtig. ja wenn es da aber keine ausnahmeregelung geben wird, ...

Yes, there will be exceptions.
Vehicles whose General Operating Permit (ABE) date is before January 1, 2004, can still be registered after January 1, 2005, with the exception of requiring a special inspection or emissions test.

Various older vehicles without initial registration (e.g., from airports, the German armed forces) that do not meet current emission standards. These vehicles are approved with a special permit, using the emission standards that were in place at the time of their manufacture. This is likely to happen with older EU3 cars as well. However, the process is not cheap, as it often requires manufacturer's certificates or emission test reports.

Bertil wrote:

All ABE (General Operating Permits) submitted to the KBA (Federal Motor Transport Authority) from January 1, 2004, for new registrations must fully comply with the EU4 emission standard (in your words, new developments). Ab dem 1.1.05 können nur noch Fahrzeuge mit EU4 Neu zugelassen werden ... richtig.

Hi Bertil,

Did you perhaps move those years forward by one too many?
-> So, does the EU4 requirement apply from 1.1.2005 for ABE (General Operating Permit) new registrations submitted to the KBA (Federal Motor Transport Authority)?

ulf wrote:

... Did you perhaps move those years forward by one too many? ...

No, not that I'm aware of. EU4 for new applications for type approval since January 1, 2004.

Please note: Updates (new engine options) for existing vehicle models will only apply from January 1, 2005.

Bertil wrote:

ulf wrote: ... Did you perhaps move those years forward by one too many? ... No, not that I'm aware of. EU4 for new applications for type approval since January 1, 2004. Attention! Additions (new engine variants) to existing vehicles will only be affected from January 1, 2005.

OK, I'll try to summarize:

-> Type approval certificates (ABE) for new vehicle developments have only been granted since January 1, 2004, if the EU4 standard is met.

-> Type approval (ABE) for new engines in "older" vehicle developments will only be granted from January 1, 2005, if the EU4 standard is met.

But what about the approval of new cars with an "older" type approval (without a special permit)?
Is the EU4 requirement in effect from January 1, 2005, as has always been said here?
Or is it only from January 1, 2006, as stated in the Ibiza forum thread mentioned above?

ulf wrote:

OK, so I'll try to summarize: -> Type approval certificates (ABE) for new vehicle developments have only been granted since January 1, 2004, if the EU4 standard is met. -> Type approval (ABE) for new engines in "older" vehicle developments will only be granted from January 1, 2005, if the EU4 standard is met.

I'm familiar with that.

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Is the EU4 requirement in effect from January 1, 2005, as has always been said here? Or only starting from January 1, 2006, as stated in the aforementioned Ibiza forum thread?

The EU4 mandatory appointment has really made me unsure, but I mean, it's January 1st, 2005.
This deadline should have been postponed because the technology (especially for diesel vehicles) wasn't advanced enough yet. However, the discussion about the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) brought the year 2005 back into the conversation. I can't say for sure whether the deadline was actually postponed to after 2006.