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Post24-10-2002, 18:46    Subject: TDI & OBD2: ECU Application (INCA) Quote

Hi.

Maybe someone can help me.

From which year of manufacture, or engine number/code, do the...?
VW TDI Engine OBD2 Diagnostics?
Where can I find the plug?
Can you modify the engine's control parameters using OBD, or can you only read data?
Which interface, whether a 'Elektor' magazine project, a kit, or something else, is most suitable?
And what would a complete kit cost?

'Does anyone know of any websites where I can learn more about engine control units (ECUs) and their...'
What can you learn by using an application like the INCA software?

Thank you in advance.

Best regards.
roland


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Post25-10-2002, 8:13    Subject: TDI & OBD2: ECU Application (INCA) Quote

Hi Roland,

All TDI engines should be OBD2-compatible. (even if VAG-COM says something different icon_cry.gif).

The location of the connector varies in every vehicle, so it's impossible to give a general statement about its placement.

Take a look at Rainer's page, specifically under 'Tips & tricks'; you're sure to find what you're looking for there icon_lol.gif.

Best regards,
David.


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Post25-10-2002, 8:15    Subject: TDI & OBD2: INCA ECU Flashing Software Quote

Hi

Maybe someone can help me.



How about you help yourself? icon_wink.gif

Above, you will find the 'SEARCH' button. If you are unfamiliar with this function, I would be happy to assist you.


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Post25-10-2002, 18:54    Subject: TDI & OBD2: ECU Application (INCA) Quote

Hi.

Thank you for the answers.

Unfortunately, I also couldn't find any information about 'application' using the search function.
INCA can be found.
Has anyone had any experience with INCA?

I only know that there are special application control units, and during my internship at BMW, I also learned that the connection can be established via the K-Line and KWP protocols.
To what extent would it be possible to establish a connection with INCA using the self-built adapter 2.2 that is being discussed in the forum?
Does INCA, for example version 3.0, offer any advantages in this case compared to the VAG-COM software, or is it only beneficial for application control units?

Can a serial tax device be converted to work with an Appli-SG?
To what extent can I adjust the ignition timing map in sequential ignition systems?

Questions upon questions icon_smile.gif.
Unfortunately, I'm not an electrician; I'm a mechanical engineer.

Sure, here's the translation:

'Best regards,' or 'Sincerely,'.
roli


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Post26-10-2002, 23:04    Subject: TDI & OBD2: ECU Application (INCA) Quote

Hello Roland,
In older control systems, there were application-specific control units that differed significantly from the standard devices (sometimes even including 19-inch racks with different, more powerful processors).
After the development was completed and all relevant control parameters were determined, the results were then transferred to the - significantly more cost-effective - target assembly (e.g., with an 8051 processor).
It is certainly not possible to retrofit these devices with an Appl.STG system.

Since the introduction of flash memory in mass-produced devices, it has been possible to modify the software without having to replace the memory chips (similar to, for example, a BIOS update on a PC).

Assuming the hardware has sufficient processing power, such a device could certainly be used as an application controller. However, manufacturers are unlikely to include the necessary software for that purpose in the standard product (which would be nice for tuners, of course; after running it through a disassembler icon_twisted.gif).
'In my opinion, such a device could be achieved by installing the appropriate software on the application control unit. The only thing needed is the software itself.'

ST has now introduced Flash components that have encrypted areas. If such components are used, the adaptation software could be left inside.
'All that's missing are the (hardware) keys to activate it, and the tools (like INCA) to use them.'

The use of INCA and similar tools in the 'hobby' sector is likely to be quite limited, especially since special adapters are often required.

For diagnostic purposes, VAG-COM is sufficient. For chip tuning, the traditional methods using a hex editor, disassembler, simulator, etc., are usually the only option.


Best regards, Rudi.


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Post27-10-2002, 14:03    Subject: TDI & OBD2: ECU Application (INCA) Quote

Thank you, Rudi, for the answer.

Where can I learn more about hex editors, disassemblers, or simulators?

Sure, here's the translation:

'Best regards,' or 'Sincerely,'.
roli


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