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Post13-07-2017, 13:42    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello, dear forum community!

I'm in a difficult situation and hope you can help me again! We're planning a vacation on Saturday, so I've also purchased and installed a GRA spare parts kit. The Golf IV 2002 with ARL TDI had been running perfectly up until that point, starting immediately every time.

The Log File:
Quote:
Vehicle Type: 1J (1J - VW Golf/Bora IV (1998 > 2006))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
76

Vehicle Identification Number: WVWZZZ1JZ2B148514 Kilometer Stand: 208410 km
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Address 01: Engine Electronics Label file: DRV\038-906-019-ARL.lbl
Part Number: 038 906 019 HH
Part Number: 1.9L R4 EDC G000SG 1491
Encoding: 00002
Operating Number: WSC 00046
VCID: 64CCD83FF41B42616D-4B04
WVWZZZ1JZ2B148514 VWZ6Z0B0101557

No error codes found.
Readiness: 0 0 X X X

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Address 03: Brake Electronics Label file: DRV\1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
Part Number: 1C0 907 379 G
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Encoding: 0019970
Operating Number: WSC 00046 615 1234567
VCID: 2E587A17BA57B8314B-515C

No error codes found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Climate/Heating Control Label file: DRV\3Bx-907-044.lbl
Part Number: 3B1 907 044 C
Component: CLIMATRONIC C 2.0.0
Encoding: 11000
Operating Number: WSC 00046
VCID: 2142912BAB891749C6-515C

No error codes found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbag Label file: DRV\6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part Number: 1C0 909 605 A
Part: 27 AIRBAG VW51 01 0004
Encoding: 12855
Operating Number: WSC 00046
VCID: 22409E27AE8F0C51DF-5140

No error codes found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Relay Module Installation Label file: DRV\1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
Part Number: 1J0 920 826 C
Part: KOMBI+WAYFARE. RB8 V21
Encoding: 05114
Operating Number: WSC 00364
VCID: 2952890BD3B9DF099E-5140
WVWZZZ1JZ2B148514 VWZ6Z0B0101557

No error codes found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: Diagnostic Interface Label file: DRV\6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part Number: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Encoding: 00006
Operating Number: WSC 00046
VCID: 70E4A46F30E3EEC119-515C

No error codes found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Comfort System Label file: DRV\1C0-959-799.lbl
Part Number: 1C0 959 799 B
Part Number: 1C Comfort Kit HLO 0003
Encoding: 00259
Operating Number: WSC 00046
VCID: 36685277120780F103-4B04

Subsystem 1 - Part Number: 1C1959801A
Part Number: 1C Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0004

Subsystem 2 - Part Number: 1C1959802A
Part Number: 1C Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0004

Subsystem 3 - Part Number: 1C0959811A
Part Number: 1C Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0004

Subsystem 4 - Part Number: 1C0959812A
Part Number: 1C Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0004

No error codes found.

Ende----------------------------(Duration: 05:57)-----------------------------


I have completed everything according to the instructions, then I released the GRA in the MSTG and of course, I wanted to go for a test drive...

Key on, indicator light comes on, starter engages, relay 167 clicks approximately every half-second - the car simply won't start!? The WFS symbol is not lit, but it sounds like the PDE is not actually injecting diesel.

The fuel pump is running normally after the ignition is switched on. I have checked all the fuses and none of them appear to be blown. The fault memory is empty.

Everything disassembled again, the GRA cable harness plugged into the steering column (I thought maybe something was misconnected, but it wasn't) - the car still doesn't work...

All plugs checked, appears to be okay...

I really don't know what's going on there now? The voltage at the MSTG was 10.9 volts - but the starter is not turning weakly or noticeably slowly - could this still be the cause?

I'm just going to charge the battery, but I honestly don't think it's the car's voltage... I haven't had the ignition on much, and not even the radio...

I'm really lost - please help!

Thank you and best regards.

Alex



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Post13-07-2017, 14:43    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello,
It could be due to the weak battery. If the starting RPM is not reached, it usually doesn't start either.
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Post13-07-2017, 14:45    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

klahaui wrote:
Hello,
It could be due to the weak battery. If the starting RPM is not reached, it usually doesn't start either.
Best regards


Thank you for the input - I'll let it charge for 2-3 hours now, then the battery should be sufficiently charged...

Hopefully, this is it...

LG


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Post13-07-2017, 14:53    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

In case of emergency, disconnect the coolant temperature sensor (the double sensor).
This, however, results in an error entry, but it also occurs even with lower
Starting RPM (basically from 0) Fuel allowed.

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Post13-07-2017, 17:52    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello!

Plug unplugged - the pre-glow time goes to maximum, but the result is the same...nothing!

It seems strange to me that the relay is switching so quickly...which one controls the "fuel injection"?

Here are some photos of the relay holder and fuse holder...



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Post13-07-2017, 17:58    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Here is the video of the first attempt.



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Post13-07-2017, 19:58    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello

I see a thief tampering with the pedal switch on the last picture. icon_exclaim.gif
But that's not precise, the TDI's are a bit sensitive, what díe
Pedal switch is on. Normally, the cables for the GRA should also be neatly soldered there.

- Take a look at the MSTG's MWB,
{QUESTION} whether the signals from the two pedal switches are all clean.
...if not
...Check pedals and connectors/power tap

Do the signals come when operating the individual functions on the GRA lever?
...if not
... have you also correctly identified the pins on the main connector of the MSTG?

Just a way to start a testing routine icon_wink.gif
Good luck

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Post13-07-2017, 21:05    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello!

The pins fit, and they seem to be connected correctly according to the instructions, so I think everything is fine!

I think, however, that the plug is not causally linked to starting the engine.

Electricity thief? The two plugs on the fuse box, I think, belong to the space heater.

Is the frequent clicking of the relay normal? Especially with the flickering of the night light?

Thank you and best regards.

Alex


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Post14-07-2017, 8:27    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hi Alex,
A clicking sound and, above all, a flickering of the pre-ignition light is not normal.
Installing the GRA system is not a magic trick - however, I would still like to check if you have the
managed to grab the right connectors - especially on that darn handover connector.
to the engine compartment (not the one that landed in the wrong compartment).
I'm not sure if the 2002 model already has the improved relay 109.
installed. I would remove and inspect it. It is possible that
the circuit board around the contacts has been torn.
If that's the case, either repair or replace.
As a test, you can also bridge the relay and see if it then turns on.

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Post14-07-2017, 9:16    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

It will likely depend on a causal factor in your renovation. You either did something wrong, created a short circuit somewhere, or accidentally bumped into or touched something while working. Please check everything carefully, check the relay box, and maybe also look at the other newly installed components. Then it will work. If you remove and move the fuse box and relay tray on a vehicle after many years, it is quite possible that this movement will cause a connection to come loose.


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Post14-07-2017, 13:30    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Okay, so viel ich verstehe: the connector of the GRA or the connector in the water tank has nothing to do with the motor start itself, right?

I previously disconnected the battery during the steering wheel removal, but then reconnected it temporarily to listen to the radio...

Could the MSTG have been affected somehow? All the fuses seem to be okay... It can therefore theoretically only be due to the diesel supply from the PDE to the combustion chamber, I guess!

The car had been running perfectly up until that point, with full power and normal fuel consumption!

I will disconnect the fuel supply hose today and check how much fuel is coming out...

Relay 109 - I'm trying to bridge - which contacts do I need to bridge? I don't have a schematic...


Thank you and best regards.

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Post14-07-2017, 14:49    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hi,

Your car scan is quite old, what does the current one show? Is the engine control unit now even accessible for diagnostics?

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Post14-07-2017, 15:43    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

What is the difference between the actual battery voltage and the battery voltage according to the MWB from the MSTG?
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Post14-07-2017, 17:19    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello!

Why not just remove everything that's been added, as a first step?

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Post14-07-2017, 17:20    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

Hello!

The voltage at the battery when the ignition is turned on is approximately 12.2 volts, while the 30 terminal on the MSTG has 10.7 volts.

In the car scan, no new errors were found, and the Mstg is reachable!

I have now re-examined everything... the engine simply isn't getting any fuel, no matter how long I run it; all I get is air from the exhaust!

A failed attempt at jump-starting the car brought it to life for 2 seconds...

The pump delivers once when the ignition is on, and then in bursts during starting.

Can I somehow, because the battery was connected, have damaged the board on the mstg?

Why isn't there suddenly a "moo"?

What can I exclude or review using vcds?


Thank you!

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Post14-07-2017, 17:21    Subject: Golf IV ARL does not start after GRA modification. Quote

brezelmann01 wrote:
Hello!

Why not just remove everything that's been added, as a first step?

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I had already unplugged the connector from the GRA, so it should have the same effect as if I were to re-insert the pins, right?

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