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Steffen W Profi-Schrauber

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22-04-2012, 20:38 Subject: |
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I can't say anything about the pliers from the auction house; I'm not familiar with them. Mine are SW Stahl, model 61790L. They're quite good. I've even used them with clamps that have a torque of 30 Nm, and they held up. They cost around 40 euros net (minus any discount based on customer number).
Hazet is definitely a top brand for people who use tools on a daily basis. There are certainly quality differences to be expected.
The linked pliers, however, do not have a clamping jaw. And for clamps without a profile, I think it's quite possible that an "O" shape would appear again. We have this model hanging in the workshop. I can take a closer look at them if you're specifically interested.
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Autoservice Profi-Schrauber


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22-04-2012, 21:27 Subject: |
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Quote: | I would recommend a pair of pliers like the ones shown in picture 2.
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I have those as well, but they are not really suitable for stainless steel clamps.
Using extensions on the pliers causes them to twist during tightening, which makes it difficult to feel the correct clamping pressure.
It's excellent for soft clamps.
Quote: | The linked pliers, however, do not have a clamping jaw. And for clamps without a profile, I could easily imagine that an "O" would appear again. We have this model hanging in the cabinet for work. I can take a closer look at them if you are specifically interested.
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This is only for the "stainless steel with profile" execution  .
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Steffen W Profi-Schrauber

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23-04-2012, 16:37 Subject: |
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This is only for the "Stainless steel with profile" execution. . |
That is correct. This pliers is a specialized tool for a specific type of ear tag. Standard ear tags, as expected, form an "O" shape with these pliers. I took the liberty of simulating this. See the image.
As mentioned before, a torque wrench with a quick-release socket provides more flexibility when working with the various types of nuts that are included in the socket sets. If it's not something you're buying for 20 euros from an online marketplace, it can also handle up to 30 Nm of torque.
Or, if you regularly do this kind of work, you could get both models. I don't know your circumstances, of course.
For specialized tools: There is also a Hazet pliers with a locking mechanism, model number 1847-1. However, this model does not have a tool holder and is therefore not suitable for these stainless steel clamps.
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Georg_G Profi-Schrauber

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23-04-2012, 18:15 Subject: |
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Hi,
No, I don't do these tasks regularly.
Actually, only for my own private fleet (3 cars) and occasionally for the cars of friends who are brave enough to trust me  .
I think I'm going to get a pair of pliers, something like the SW Stahl 61790L. It seems to be the most versatile option and should be sufficient for my purposes.
Thank you again to everyone; those were truly very detailed descriptions.
Best regards, Georg.
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24-04-2012, 13:42 Subject: |
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Hello,
In the case of the Ibiza, I would first verschandeln everything thoroughly, then drive it and see if and where the grease is actually leaking from.
While the leaked grease may appear fresher than one would expect after 8 months and 4000 km of exposure to the elements, I still wouldn't rule out the possibility that the free workshop smeared it around during the installation and didn't verschandeln anything properly.
In an emergency, you can also get hose clamps to seal properly without special pliers, if you put in a little effort and use tools like a nut of the appropriate size, which you can place in the pliers and use as a clamping device. Of course, it's better and faster to use a specialized pliers for the job.
By the way, there are also poorly made, low-quality imitation gaskets available, where you might need a special tool and even then, you might not be able to get them to seal properly. But a reputable workshop wouldn't actually install something like that.
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24-04-2012, 20:43 Subject: |
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Quote: | | In an emergency, you can also get hose clamps to seal properly without special pliers, if you put in a little effort and d. B. using aids such as a mother figure of the appropriate size, which is placed in the jaws and serves as a holder. |
It will be fastened just as securely as in Image1  .
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Georg_G Profi-Schrauber

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Just wanted to give a quick update:
1. Attempt: The cuff was secured using a flat-nose pliers and a vise.
Result: Not good. Sufficient deformation cannot be achieved because the pliers bend too much and do not transmit force effectively. Fat leakage may occur at high speeds.
2. Try using pliers with a clamping mechanism, as described by Steffen W above.
"Based on my understanding, the torque required for the 4-point recordings must be significantly different from the torque specifications for the VAG special tool." With 30 Nm of torque, nothing moved for me.
However, the leverage of this clamp is good, and the clamp itself is very rigid. I squeezed it with a large pipe wrench, and was able to easily achieve a deformation comparable to the intact cuff on the other side of the vehicle. The cuff is now airtight even at high speeds.
Conclusion: This pliers are quite suitable for occasional DIY enthusiasts.
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02-05-2012, 9:49 Subject: |
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Thank you for the feedback  .
Quote: | 1. Attempt: The cuff was secured using a flat-nose pliers and a vise.
Result: Not good. Sufficient deformation cannot be achieved because the pliers bend too much and do not transmit force effectively. At high speeds, fat can leak out again. |
She should be placed in the vise with the jaws facing up - not with the handles. The same applies to the pliers with a clamping mechanism. 
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