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Post17-01-2013, 21:15    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

My T5 has been taking longer to start recently, and the north-west position sensor will be replaced soon.

Are the glow plugs monitored via diagnostics in this vehicle, so that a warning is displayed if one is defective? Or do I need to disconnect the VD (voltage divider) and measure it manually?

Is there also a software update available for the control unit?

Thank you!

Vehicle type: 7H - VW Transporter.
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0B 0D 15 16 17 18 19 1C 22 2D 37 45 46 47 56
57 6E 76 77 78 7D

Vehicle Identification Number: WV2ZZZ7HZ4X021XXX
Mileage: 217,300 km
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 01: Engine Label file: RKS\038-906-016-AXB.lbl
Part number SW: 038 906 016, part number HW: 028 101 073 4.
Part: R4 1.9L EDC 0000SG 5225
Revision: 12345678 Serial number: VWZ7Z0C8022371
Encoding: 0000031
Operating number: WSC 35110 377 00000
VCID: D1ADA5BD4BC626907E9
Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"1 error found:"
19463 - Crankshaft position sensor (G40)
P3007 - 000 - No signal - Intermittent.
Environmental conditions:
Speed: 882 RPM.
Torque: 18.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Last: 0.0%
Voltage: 14.36 V
Binary value: 00000000
Idle stabilization: 0.0° KW.
(no unit): 48.0
Readiness: 0 0 X X X
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 03: Brakes Label file: RKS\7H0-907-37x-ASR-F.lbl
Part number: 7H0 907 379 E.
Part: ASR FRONT MK25 0103
Encoding: 0007205
Operating number: WSC 35110 377 00000
VCID: 37797B25456218A0D0D
No error codes found.
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 09: Body Control Module
Label file: RKS\7H0-937-049.lbl
Part number: 7H0 937 049 J
Component: BORDNETZ SGVER 1.0 0901
Encoding: 0000167
Operating number: WSC 35110 377 00000
VCID: 397D7D1D73760ED0269
4 errors found:
01598 - Battery voltage.
002 - lower limit exceeded.
00886 - Turn signal switch (E2)
008 - Implausible signal - Sporadic.
00991 - Interior lighting.
012 - Electrical fault in the circuit - Intermittent.
01598 - Battery voltage.
001 - upper limit exceeded.
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 15: Airbag
Label file: RKS\6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part number: 1C0 909 605 A
Part: 3B AIRBAG VW51 0008
Encoding: 13122
Operating number: WSC 35110
VCID: 224FBA71AEE06D08173
No error codes found.
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 17: Combination instrument
Label file: RKS\7Hx-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part number: 7H0 920 850 L
Part: COMBINATION INSTRUMENT + SPEEDOMETER VDO V01
Encoding: 03111
Operating number: WSC 35110
VCID: 33614F35011AF480EC5
WV2ZZZ7HZ4X021XXX VWZ7Z0C8022371
No error codes found.
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 18: Auxiliary heater
Label file: RKS\7H0-819-008.lbl
Part number: 7H0 815 071 C
Component: Auxiliary heater 0206
Operating Number: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 285BA85998DC8758497
No error codes found.
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 19: CAN-Gateway
Label file: RKS\6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part number: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Encoding: 00006
Operating number: WSC 35110
VCID: F0EB0039B08C0F98517
No error codes found.
"Der schnelle braune Fuchs springt über den faulen Hund."
Address 56: Radio
Label file: RKS\1J0-035-15x-56.lbl
Part number: 6X0 035 153 A
Component: Radio BNO 0007
Encoding: 00001
Operating number: WSC 35110
VCID: 306B4039F00CCF98917
No error codes found.
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Post17-01-2013, 21:39    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

You can measure these here using a test lamp. They are installed externally. I'm not entirely sure if they will be displayed in case of an error, but I suspect they will.

According to the scan, he needs a new battery.
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Post17-01-2013, 22:23    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Wow, I just saw it.

Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate.

Can you access that without using the T5 service port?
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Post17-01-2013, 22:54    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Yes, but the spark plug connectors are already quite tight.
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Post17-01-2013, 23:14    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Hello,

Yes, the glow plugs are likely monitored, and any related errors are stored in the engine control unit. You can try disconnecting a connector from a glow plug as a test.

Starting problems when the engine is cold are often caused by air in the fuel system or a faulty coolant temperature sensor (sensor block 7 in your engine control unit) that reports temperatures that are too high.

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Post18-01-2013, 8:31    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Thank you for the information. It's now also happening more frequently when the engine is warm.

Okay, I'm going to replace the camshaft position sensor (G40) now.
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Post18-01-2013, 11:44    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

chriskross wrote:
Thank you for the information; it is now also occurring more frequently with a warm engine.

I'm going to replace the camshaft position sensor (G40) now.

Uh yes, of course, that could also be the cause (forest, trees). icon_lol.gif
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Post18-01-2013, 17:37    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

icon_smile.gif It can happen sometimes.

"I noticed that the NW Simmering seal also appears to be leaking. Is there anything I should be aware of when removing the seal?"
"Position of NW?" Is it sufficient if the notch is at the 4Z position?



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Post18-01-2013, 18:15    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Have you already wiped up any oil from there? It looks more like a leaky valve cover.
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Another question I've seen is that the NW Simmering seal is also slightly leaking. Is there anything to be aware of when removing the disc?
"Position of NW?" Or is it sufficient if the notch is at the 4Z position?


The NW (presumably a component) should have a groove for a Belleville spring. I assume that such a groove is present. Mark everything carefully, just in case.
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Post18-01-2013, 19:33    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Yes, it's also possible that the valve cover needs to be checked at that mileage.

I mean, the hub must have some kind of notch or reference point that the wheel speed sensor measures, and then sends the signal to the control unit.

Do you not replace the crankshaft seals at the same time when changing the timing belt? Or, how does VW do it?
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Post18-01-2013, 20:07    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

That's a tricky thing. If they are made of Teflon and are sealed properly, I won't replace them.

The problem is that the sealing lip gradually works its way into the northwest direction over time.
To put it exaggeratedly, it creates a benefit.
If the new sealing ring isn't positioned exactly in the same place, you've created an oil pump... icon_wink.gif And who's the fool then?

With the older Simmering rings (with felt seals), there were sometimes different designs featuring offset sealing lips. That allowed us to circumvent the problem.

However, I wouldn't want to generalize that. There are also cases where this happens without any problems, or where there are no signs of intrusion.
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Post19-01-2013, 10:30    Subject: Re: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

chriskross wrote:
Are the glow plugs monitored in this vehicle
?

Hello,

I believe the glow plug monitoring system was only introduced with EURO 4 or MKB Bxx engines – it wasn't present before, at least not in my two vehicles. Golf with BKD (EU4): YES, Treg with AYH (EU3): NO.

I might be wrong, though...

Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"1 error found:"
19463 - Camshaft position sensor (G40)
P3007 - 000 - No signal - Intermittent.

I would also take a look at it if it didn't start so poorly.

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Post19-01-2013, 11:51    Subject: Re: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

alevuz wrote:
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I believe that glow plug monitoring was only introduced with Euro 4 or MKB Bxx models – it wasn't available before.
...


1. There are also EU3 engines with glow plug monitoring.
2. There are EU4 engines with the MKB Axx icon_wink.gif.

My AXR, for example, is a EU3/D4 engine, because the EU4 standard didn't exist at that time (but it's still treated like an EU4 engine...). Green sticker without filter icon_wink.gif).
Later AXR versions are definitely encrypted using EU4 methods. The biggest difference compared to mine is the MSTG, which fully supports the E-OBD2 functions.
Both monitor the function of the glow plugs in the engine control unit (ECU). However, even the predecessor of the AXR (the ATD) had this function, and that was a pure EU3 engine.
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Post19-01-2013, 17:51    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

Thank you for the information!

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Post21-01-2013, 12:07    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

One spark plug was defective, but it was not identified as defective by the maintenance team.
The candle had a resistance value of 1 kOhm.
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Post21-01-2013, 12:32    Subject: Are T5 glow plugs monitored by the control unit? Quote

chriskross wrote:
1 glow plug was defective, but it was not recognized as defective by the maintenance team.
The candle had a resistance value of 1kOhm.

Interesting. Could you try unplugging a connector and see if any errors are logged?

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