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Post07-11-2017, 16:55    Subject: Recommendation: Chiptuning for Audi A4 3.0 Diesel! Quote

I would like to have my 3.0 diesel engine tuned.
Can anyone recommend a good tuner here?
Ideally, this should be done professionally. I had my diesel tuned by vt-auto-chiptuning, by Alex Günther, but he is no longer working in this area. Therefore, I need a new, good address!

If you know anyone, please send me a private message or simply comment.


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Post12-11-2017, 11:21    Subject: Recommendation: Chiptuning for Audi A4 3.0 Diesel! Quote

Hello Flotho,
Regarding chiptuning, I would recommend looking at established brands. I had very good experience with *** on my 3.0 TDI. The first owner probably did this right away when he bought the vehicle...now he's become quite skilled, and despite its age, it still runs really well!

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Post12-11-2017, 12:44    Subject: Recommendation: Chiptuning for Audi A4 3.0 Diesel! Quote

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And I had very negative experiences with *** (well, actually good, because their customers came to me in droves, but definitely not because they were so satisfied), there is undoubtedly excellent expertise in marketing at this company. icon_idea.gif
Can anyone with expertise, who has reviewed the files themselves, also say so?

Vaud is in Switzerland, right? So, firstly, "still going well" is not a criterion for whether the engine is worn or not, or whether the thing is even any good. And secondly, "a lot of kilometers" are Swiss drivers' mileage compared to other countries, which is ridiculous, because with frequent license plate changes, there are often several cars available, which are therefore driven less, and the average Swiss person lives within commuting distance of their workplace.
Therefore, they can also leave for home at noon, around 12 o'clock, where the woman prepares the food, and then return to work. I don't know of any other country where this is handled so frequently.
Thirdly, in Switzerland, the maximum speed on the highway is 120 km/h, and for significant speeding violations, exorbitant fines are imposed, up to the confiscation of the vehicle and imprisonment.
Therefore, it's ridiculous to even compare the strain on a Swiss-made vehicle (which is relatively low), as it's simply not possible to maintain full throttle for more than 5 seconds without risking serious legal consequences. This is completely different from some routes in Germany, where, to put it mildly, you can set the cruise control to 220 km/h and arrive a few hours later. With a "chop-tune," you essentially risk engine damage.

Overall, I find the recommendation for using chip tuners to be a bit questionable, and I'm not sure if it's really effective. Because 95% of them actually have very little knowledge and buy datasets ready-made, it's almost a matter of chance whether the dataset is suitable for the specific car or is junk.

Nevertheless, a provider of tuning data typically has an interest in ensuring that their files do not cause widespread vehicle damage, because if this happens, the "chiptuners" (resellers) will lose their customers, and they will have to deal with the angry customers themselves.
There are always exceptions, and this is no different. Modifying chips through "manual adjustments" or, specifically, buying used parts and unsuitable or faulty files from various "tuning CDs/DVDs" is not uncommon.

One cannot say that expensive tuning is better, as companies like the ones mentioned tend to invest more in marketing than in expertise. Nevertheless, there is a certain lower limit, below which almost inevitably only junk comes out.

After 15 years of entrepreneurial activity and also a lot of contact with other companies, I unfortunately have to say that there are a very, very large number of people who don't even understand what the 8/19/20% VAT on their receipts means. They don't understand anything else, but they are very good at pretending to be a pump.
Unfortunately, sometimes such people become business owners, often through fortunate circumstances, such as inheritance, or by running a tuning shop or car dealership. If they are lucky enough to have employees who are knowledgeable, the problem often arises that no one can be smarter than the boss... Then either unreasonably high or unreasonably low prices are quoted, and/or poor quality is delivered.

Okay, hier ist die Übersetzung:

So:
- No sellers who exclusively operate in the marketplace, if someone is like that, they can't even get any offers online and have to pay a hefty commission on every sale, what does someone like that even know about tuning? Right, that is to say, rather none.
- No "Super-Cheap Deal". Time is money. The time it takes to learn about the specific technology, inspect the customer's vehicle, and technically assess it, and then see if everything works as it should. Even reasonable equipment costs money, and here we're not talking about 100 EUR/CHF, but several thousand.
- There are also reputable companies with 3-letter names, *** represents a specific and very well-known company.
- Companies that have been on the market for a longer time tend to stick to traditional methods and avoid new technologies. Don't repeatedly change the name or pro forma owner for years, or spend a very, very large amount of money on marketing.
- Depending on the vehicle model/engine, I consider prices of 350-750 EUR to be appropriate for Germany/Austria for "mass-produced vehicles" (Polo, Golf, Passat, etc.). Switzerland is, of course, a bit more expensive, but people there also earn more, and, as far as I know, it is also possible to offer legal "chiptuning" there. In Switzerland, for example, a mandatory emission test certificate must exist, otherwise it is not possible to market or officially offer the product.

If you take the above into account, the chances of getting something reasonable are already pretty good. icon_idea.gif

Setting technical criteria here, in my opinion, makes little sense, because if someone understands and can assess all of this in detail, they will not go to a tuner but will do their own tuning or offer it themselves.

Still relevant and useful as background knowledge:
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Best regards, Rainer
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Post12-11-2017, 13:18    Subject: Recommendation: Chiptuning for Audi A4 3.0 Diesel! Quote

Hello Rainer,
Thank you for the detailed information about *** and Switzerland. Unfortunately, I don't fit the typical "average enthusiast" profile. The car was previously driven for a large part in the former East Germany and now has 372,000 km on the first turbo, and I have only provided my "personal" assessment. *** must therefore not be as bad as some claim, although there are certainly many other good providers on the market. Marketing aside, *** can still be registered in Switzerland... Personally, I probably wouldn't have installed a chip tuning myself, but it was already in the car.

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Post12-11-2017, 13:36    Subject: Recommendation: Chiptuning for Audi A4 3.0 Diesel! Quote

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95% of them actually have little knowledge and buy datasets ready-made. Then it's almost a matter of chance whether the dataset is suitable for the specific car or is junk.

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