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Post05-11-2024, 13:14    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Hello everyone,
I'm just a hobbyist who's only worked on gasoline-powered engines so far.

I'm now experiencing issues with my Crafter 2.0 TDI while driving. First, the glow plug warning light came on (flashing), and a few minutes later, the engine control unit symbol illuminated (steady).

The engine then went into emergency mode, and I was unfortunately forced to drive another approximately 400 km with it icon_sad.gif.

The log is attached.
LMM = 3 errors.
and
DPF full.

Since I've owned the vehicle, it has been driven almost exclusively (90% of the time) on the highway for long distances. Often used with heavy trailers.



My question now is about the correct procedure.

1. Are the two errors directly related? I have already replaced the LMM (likely referring to a mass airflow sensor) with a new one, but the problem persists.

2. Can I regenerate the DPF (following the instructions here on the forum) even while it's in limp mode, and then verschandeln or have it cleaned?

3. Should I use a professional cleaning service offered online, or is it sufficient to simply verschandeln with water after the regeneration process in my case?

4. Can I still read the DPF sensor values even when the system is in limp mode? I believe that would be ash content and differential pressure, if I'm reading this forum correctly.


Thank you for your help.
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Post05-11-2024, 17:58    Subject: sometimes Quote

I've also extracted some additional data blocks that might be relevant.

once in neutral.
once at approximately 2300 RPM.

The new LMM (likely referring to a mass airflow sensor) is not showing any readings, and the temperature is 25°C while the outside temperature is 5°C, with an intake air temperature of 155°C.

Does anyone have any ideas?



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Post05-11-2024, 18:38    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Hi,

The LMM apparently measures nothing.
Is it still drawing air through the mass airflow sensor, or is there a leak somewhere in the intake manifold?
Power supply to the mass flow meter/wiring checked?

A full DPF is a consequence of the malfunctioning mass airflow sensor (MAF) and driving the vehicle with it for an extended period.
Without an LMM signal, regeneration will not occur.

Once the LMM is working again, look for a message like "Loading Limit Service Regeneration" or something similar.
If he hasn't resolved it yet, it might still be possible to regenerate the data using the vehicle and VCDS.
Otherwise, unfortunately, the DPF will have to be removed.
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Post05-11-2024, 21:18    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Hello,

As long as the errors related to air mass/intake air temperature persist, DPF regeneration is not possible, and the DPF will continue to fill up until it reaches its maximum capacity, at which point regeneration will no longer be possible.

LMM: Obtain the correct original part and check the wiring harness.

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Post06-11-2024, 9:09    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Thank you both for your answers.

Okay, so I now have a sequence of steps to follow.

I'll look into this and report back, although I've already installed a new, genuine LMM (lambda manifold manifold) and the problem still persists. Okay, I'm going to check the wiring and airflow now.

Regards,
Frank.

Sure, here's the translation:

"Addendum:"
All wiring is okay, the air intake system is intact, and there are 5V present at pin 4 of the MAF sensor connector relative to ground when the ignition is on.

Am I making a mistake when clearing the error codes?
I have repeatedly cleared all the error codes and also turned off the ignition afterwards.

LMM error persists.
Fuse checked, okay.

4- Fuse 34 on fuse holder C -SC34- 15A - Mass airflow sensor -G70- 7) Oxygen sensor 1 before catalytic converter -GX10- Control unit for NOx sensor -J583- Control unit for sensor electronics -J849- Control unit for NOx sensor 2 -J881-87


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Post06-11-2024, 22:35    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Clear the error codes and see what errors appear when the ignition is on/idle without the MAF sensor connected.

There are only 3 possibilities.
- LMM failure (unlikely if new and original, but very likely if the seller claims it "was working until recently," etc.).
- Damaged wiring harness.
- ECU failure (unlikely).

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Post12-11-2024, 17:21    Subject: the Quote

Hello Rainer,
I followed your advice now.

THE LMM (Mass Air Flow sensor) is a genuine Bosch part - NEW.

Error memory cleared: Mass airflow sensor disconnected -> same error entry.

In the basic settings, there was a function... that was executed after the LMM was changed. I ran that function. The error persists.

The cables show no signs of damage.
The car is from 2017, and I'm ruling out a broken cable.
I've also never tinkered with the car in a way that could have caused any wiring damage.

AAaaber, if I've read correctly, then 5V and 12V should be present at the outer pins of the connector. I can't measure the 12V icon_sad.gif.

Unfortunately, I don't have an ELSA wiring diagram. Would it be possible to simply connect the 12V directly from the battery to the mass airflow sensor (MAF)?

I've attached a few more photos. Could it also be related to the AGR (Abgasrückführung - Exhaust Gas Recirculation)? Shouldn't there also be an error code stored?



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Post12-11-2024, 21:47    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Hello,

You can get wiring diagrams for your car from Erwin. Check the wiring harness all the way to the ECU.

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Post14-11-2024, 15:00    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Okay,
The cable line was checked again... and sure enough, it was actually pinched and severed in one spot. It probably happened during the air filter replacement icon_confused.gif.

LMM is working again icon_smile.gif.

First of all, thank you for your support in resolving this issue.

Okay, I'm going to the DPF now.

I found the instructions for forced regeneration here in the forum, and I've attached the vehicle data below.


The calculated and measured values for soot mass differ significantly, so which one is applicable in the case of overloading?

Can I still perform a forced regeneration, or do I need a new DPF, or should I send the current one for cleaning?

Are there any experiences with professional cleaning services?



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Post14-11-2024, 21:43    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Hello,
"Recently, I had a Passat that wasn't regenerating properly due to a faulty exhaust gas temperature sensor, and it had accumulated 68g of soot (the limit is 45g)."
Forced regeneration was not possible because the load was too high. I then connected a different differential pressure sensor and mounted it in the engine compartment. After about 15 km of driving, the ECU indicated a load of approximately 30g. After plugging the connector into the correct differential pressure sensor, I was able to start the forced regeneration process, and I was able to take a long drive, which cleared the filter.
I don't know if this would work for you. Since VW mandates the replacement in such cases due to a fire hazard, my description should not be understood as instructions. Imitation is therefore explicitly done at your own risk.

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Post15-11-2024, 16:13    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Sure,
Thank you very much.

I'll think about it.

On the other hand, the vehicle already has 170,000 km on the odometer, it's the first DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter), and the ash load has already reached almost 80 out of 110. Regarding back pressure, fuel consumption, and performance, one should definitely consider these factors.


Therefore, I'm now considering replacing the DPF.

Regards,
Frank.
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Post17-11-2024, 20:34    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Hi Frank!

To be honest, for a long time I thought all these offers regarding cleaning, whether through washing solutions or "air-out" methods, were just scams and nonsense.

I actually tried it out recently and had the filter from my CFFB cleaned.

The readings from the differential pressure sensor have shown a significant improvement, so it's questionable whether you absolutely need to buy a new DPF. The cost difference between cleaning and replacing a new part is also a factor, and it's roughly a 1:10 ratio if you want to buy an original DPF (which is recommended...).

It was important to me that the provider could somehow demonstrate the quality of their work or the performance of the machine, so when choosing a provider, I made sure that they offered a before-and-after testing protocol with data on back pressure and volumetric flow for comparison.

Anyway, the DPF should ideally be freshly regenerated before undergoing "external" cleaning, so you probably can't avoid that.

Have a good evening.

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Post19-11-2024, 10:42    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Alex,
"Thank you very much!"

I've also decided to have the cleaning done. The new parts are extremely expensive icon_sad.gif.



I'm going to work today and try to recover and expand.

I will then report... icon_smile.gif

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Post19-11-2024, 12:59    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

So, somehow the regeneration process isn't working, neither when the vehicle is stationary nor when it's in motion.

No error is displayed, or the process is terminated due to a missing requirement.

When I start the particle filter regeneration process (during operation) in the basic settings, VCDS displays "Running".

but the values for exhaust gas temperature... (see pictures) icon_sad.gif

The value for soot mass does not change; in fact, it increases.



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Post19-11-2024, 13:16    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

Is that due to the photo, or does the second image show a value of -40 degrees for the "particle filter outlet temperature" parameter?
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Post19-11-2024, 13:33    Subject: DPF and Mass Air Flow Sensor Quote

ZTurbo wrote:
Is that due to the photo, or does the second image show a value of -40 degrees for the "particle filter outlet temperature" parameter?

Check if this is a calculated value or if it actually comes from a sensor (check it!).

Otherwise: Should regeneration be enabled during driving instead of when the vehicle is stationary?

Please provide the text you would like me to translate from German to English.
Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate.
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