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Mr Burnz Guest
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16-07-2002, 8:41 Subject: Buy or Not Buy! |
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Hello,
I hope you can help me! I found a Golf III Variant TDI with 110 hp from 1998 (63,000 km driven)! The car has almost everything, including an automatic transmission (I think it's a 4-speed), and is supposed to cost around €11,500.
What do you think, is the engine better with an automatic transmission or a manual transmission? It would be great if you could help me!
Thank you and best regards, Mr. Burnz |
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AMB1980 Guest
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16-07-2002, 12:29 Subject: Buy or Not Buy! |
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Hello,
Although I have never driven a TDI with an automatic transmission, I think that a lot of the fun of driving a diesel is lost. Since the automatic transmissions shift based on speed and throttle position, it's impossible to fully utilize the beautiful torque in the lower range, as the automatic transmission first shifts back when in full throttle.
@All: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm familiar with this automatic transmission from a V6 gasoline engine, and as soon as you press the accelerator a bit harder, it automatically shifts down a gear  . |
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Jan6K

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16-07-2002, 14:03 Subject: Buy or Not Buy! |
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Hi,
I once drove a large Daimler with a 2.7-liter CR engine, which had significantly more than 300 Nm of torque. Unfortunately, it had an automatic transmission.
IMO, even considering the high weight of the car (it was an M-Class), there was absolutely no noticeable loss of torque, because, like with a gasoline engine: pressing the accelerator = downshifting. And that's really useless for such an engine.
I would never take a diesel car with an automatic transmission, but ultimately it's probably just a matter of personal preference; I don't like it either with petrol engines.
What is a fact: With the automatic function, the consumption increases.
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Markus H. Guest
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16-07-2002, 15:36 Subject: Okay: Definitely: Better not to have automatic systems. |
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Hi!
In my opinion, there is only one (mostly theoretical) advantage that an automatic transmission can offer in a diesel engine:
Due to the removal of the gas bypass during switching, the boost pressure is always maintained consistently and does not need to be rebuilt after switching.
But this, in fact, does not replace the pleasant feeling of a manual gearbox at low speeds.
Furthermore, modern turbos only have a very small turbo lag.
I'm glad I don't have an automatic transmission in my Golf 3 TDI.
We have a BMW 6-series (petrol engine) in our family.
Automatically.
Doesn't bring much fun. While the engine isn't a torque monster anyway - but the constant downshifting even with the slightest touch on the accelerator pedal is annoying.
But if it's all about convenience, then definitely automatic.
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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16-07-2002, 15:53 Subject: *gg* |
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AMB1980 wrote: | | Because automatic transmissions shift based on engine speed and throttle position, it's impossible to fully utilize the engine's torque *in a smooth, controlled manner* in the lower range, as the automatic transmission initially shifts back when in full throttle. |
Hihi, because *wheezing-wheezing* --> I think so too.
Furthermore, I have often read (but not yet personally experienced) that with an automatic transmission, almost nothing of the "torque-focused" TDI feeling remains - essentially, it's been "sterilized"
But I would definitely recommend taking a test drive and then deciding whether or not to proceed.
Where, of course, experience with manual transmissions would be helpful in recognizing what you would have missed with an automatic. Gruß Ulf
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Tobias Guest
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17-07-2002, 9:03 Subject: Buy or Not Buy! |
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Hello everyone...
The switching strategy of a multi-stage automaton depends on the specific device.
It is true that the automatic transmission will shift into a lower gear when using a kickdown, sequential shift, or reverse gear. This results in
that I need to get to a higher gear, which is not practical for diesel engines.
The appearance of this reverse gear mechanism is determined by the customer (i.e., the workshop).
Advantages of stepping motors include: no interruption of torque during switching, and torque amplification during switching due to the gearbox.
Depending on the design of the automatic transmission, a controlled converter override coupling can achieve a very high efficiency in the transmission.
The fuel savings achieved through the vending machine are zero for diesel, as the stepped machine compensates for this through higher weight.
In partial load circuits and push-button operation, the stepped switch offers advantages over the manual switch. As stated above.
As for the 'traditional' vending machine.
Then there are also automatic gearboxes with a gearshift lever (meaning manual gear selection). These are very similar to a manual gearshift.
Here it depends again on the work, as the switching strategy looks.
Normally, the 'tip mode' functions similarly to the hand lever... meaning the selected gear remains until the driver's desire.
D.H. In the 'Tip' mode, no backward adjustment when fully loaded.
Okay, that's enough now... enough with all the nonsense.
Personally, I wouldn't choose a car with an automatic transmission and a combined diesel engine.
buy...personal opinion...
Best regards from Lake Constance...Tobias |
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