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Post15-04-2008, 8:26    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

I want to install a very precise metering device, and for that, I need a few flow meters.

But how many liters of liquid flow from the tank to the low-pressure section of the valve and back to the tank?
(Skoda Octavia 1.9 TDI / ALH)

Idling?
At full throttle / maximum RPM?

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Post15-04-2008, 9:38    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

Hi,

It's difficult to say exactly... Influences:

- Fuel viscosity/density (temperature-dependent).
- Pump speed
- Injection quantity

It's somewhere between 0 and over 100 liters per hour.

Generally speaking, you are correct.

Forward flow volume minus return flow volume (including leakage oil) = instantaneous consumption.
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Regarding data acquisition/processing, Jochen145 recently wrote something about exhaust gas temperature. Perhaps he can help. However, such things are definitely not cheap (in the k€ range). icon_wink.gif

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Post15-04-2008, 11:37    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

You can easily measure it.

My tractor consumes 0.6 liters per hour at idle when the engine is warm.

Okay, so you need to shut off the return flow and direct it into a measuring container. Start the timer, and you'll have the value.

From the gut: multiple times above the consumption value.

Our first PÖL (presumably a type of vacuum pump test) involved letting the T3 vacuum pump suck air from a container. It emptied the container, which held 0.5 to 1 liter, in just a few seconds (let's say a minute).

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Post15-04-2008, 11:47    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

Okay.

I need to try and check the values with a test case.

I believe that the maximum value of this measuring device is too low.
http://www.btflowmeter.com/Low-flow-flowmeter-FCH-m-POM.285.0.html?&L=0
(And yes, the initial value is not linearly related to the flow rate per minute, but that can be corrected with software.)


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Post15-04-2008, 17:42    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

@jakobkoester: How do you evaluate the results? Using a microcontroller?

I'm planning something similar. However, I'll be taking the consumption signal from the control unit.

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Post15-04-2008, 19:26    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

The consumption signal from the control unit is the same signal as that displayed in the instrument cluster.

'My consumption is 25% higher than the values shown on the combination instrument, and then I wanted to build a different consumption measuring device.'

No; not a microcontroller, but a PC.


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Post15-04-2008, 19:36    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

jakobkoester wrote:
The consumption signal from the control unit is the same signal as in the combination instrument.

"My consumption is 25% higher than the values shown on the combination instrument, and then I wanted to build a different consumption measuring device."

No; not a microcontroller, but a PC.


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Post16-04-2008, 16:23    Subject: Low Pressure System: Tank Flow Rate (L/min) Quote

If we roughly estimate the maximum consumption at 30 liters per minute, that would be 0.5 liters per minute. Since the low-pressure pump will likely not pump more than twice the consumption rate, 1 liter per minute should be sufficient. Unfortunately, there is no information about the accuracy of these figures.
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