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Post28-11-2003, 17:22    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Hello everyone,

I have a question about my winter tires.

I have a few relatively new 185 tires and a few slightly older 175 tires.

Am I allowed to attach this sticker to the vehicle?
Both tire sizes are listed in the vehicle registration document.
I would put the 185s in the front and the 175s in the back.

Thank you for your information!
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Post28-11-2003, 17:47    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

That's a good question... I don't want to say anything incorrect, but I believe that mixed tire setups also need to be registered in this way. However, I'm happy to be corrected.
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Post28-11-2003, 18:07    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

It depends.

1. if you are using tires on rims for which this combination is permitted, meaning you have a Teilegutachten (ABE) that states this combination is allowed, then you are allowed to do so. icon_exclaim.gif

Okay, otherwise, I think you'll have to get the combination registered, but that should be quick since both tire sizes are already registered... so they should just need to approve this specific combination for you.

3. Or, you might find someone who already has a similar ABE (German approval document) for your rims, or who uses the same combination. However, in that case, it would have to be the exact same rims.
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Post28-11-2003, 18:41    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Well, if I only knew exactly what's going on...

Here's a copy of my vehicle registration document...

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Perhaps someone among you can decipher something from that.

So, as I said, I have the 185s and the 175s that are currently being used. Here are the 6Jx14H2 rims...

What is the registration fee? Shouldn't be a problem to enter that information... right?http://www.snowboardmagazin.de/news/281103/fahrzeugbrief.jpg{MARKER}
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Post28-11-2003, 19:11    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

ahh..

Okay, I would say, ask the TÜV (or ATU, as there's usually someone from the TÜV nearby) whether you need to register the combination again separately icon_question.gif. Because you already have both wheel and tire combinations registered. The registration itself should not be a problem. icon_smile.gif
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Post28-11-2003, 21:35    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Hopefully, the inspector from the TÜV (German technical inspection agency) doesn't have a heart condition.
Mixed tire setups are only found on a very small number of high-performance cars.
The entries on the document are definitely not meant to be interpreted that way.
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Post29-11-2003, 1:04    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Yes, you're right...
However, even with the cheapest ATU alloy wheels, the approval certificate (ABE) specifies different tire combinations. Surely, the entries in his license are not meant icon_rolleyes.gif to allow him to operate those vehicles in combination.
But I hope that, despite his appearance, the registration process goes smoothly for him. But there are apparently some very strict TÜV inspection stations. icon_evil.gif
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Post29-11-2003, 12:28    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Hopefully, the TÜV inspector doesn't have a heart condition.
Mixed tire setups are only found on a very small number of high-performance cars.
The entries in the document are definitely not meant to be interpreted that way.

I've also seen tires like that on plastic-bodied 90 horsepower Golfs...
While I'm not familiar with the reasoning behind using 225 tires in the front and 255 tires in the rear, well...
and: registered!

CU Gremlin.
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Post29-11-2003, 23:09    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

christians wrote:
Hopefully, the TÜV inspector doesn't have a heart condition.
Mixed tire setups are only found on a very small number of high-performance cars.
The entries in the document are definitely not meant to be interpreted that way.


The SMART also allows for mixed tire sizes, although I wouldn't exactly describe it as being "very powerfully motorized" icon_lol.gif.
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Post29-11-2003, 23:18    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

joegolf wrote:

The SMART also allows for mixed tire sizes, although I wouldn't exactly describe it as having a "very powerful" engine
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I was also talking about icon_biggrin.gif cars.
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Post01-12-2003, 14:19    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Hi Gremlin!


Deeper, Wider, Slower... icon_lol.gif

...and you have to be careful not to lose control and go off the road due to the powerful 90 horsepower engine.



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Post06-12-2003, 15:35    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

So...

I just went to the ADAC and inquired about something.
This is not allowed in its entirety. Only the tires that are registered in the vehicle's documentation can be mounted on either axle.
Different tire sizes are only permitted on a limited number of vehicles, such as the Smart car...

Well, that's about it...

I now have two new 185/65 R14 winter tires lying around... (does anyone need them?)
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Post06-12-2003, 16:44    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

Okay, so it's not possible after all, but as I said, ask the TÜV (technical inspection authority) about it. Maybe they can approve it for you.
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Post08-12-2003, 11:41    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

so it's not, but as I said, ask the TÜV (technical inspection authority) maybe they will approve it for you icon_wink.gif.

For the money and effort (individual inspection), you could easily get a whole set of new winter tires.
'In my opinion, different tire widths are only allowed on 'sports cars'.' However the term is defined.
The Smart doesn't matter; I can put wheels on my wheelbarrow however I like.
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Post08-12-2003, 14:47    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

So, even when going to the TÜV (German technical inspection), they probably won't let you get away with having wider tires in the front than in the back (or have I misunderstood something?).

However, it is possible to have wider tires in the rear than in the front, but you definitely need an expert's opinion for that. Even the registration authorities often cause problems with such tire setups. Unfortunately, I can't provide any information on that, as the approval authority wanted to see the inspection report that specifies the type of tires used.

Conclusion: The examiner will show you a bird (in the tree) icon_lol.gif and will send you to the next 'Reifenlanden' (tire lands).
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Post09-12-2003, 2:14    Subject: Are different tire widths allowed? Quote

LOL, yes, you understood correctly. Wider than it is tall...

I'm starting to feel really embarrassed about the whole thing. icon_redface.gif
How could I have possibly missed that? icon_eek.gif
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