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Post23-12-2004, 12:14    Subject: Quote

Hello Hati
so, the nozzles are brand new and are specifically designed for my engine.
Can there be any technical connection that new nozzles do not work optimally with an old ESP? Maybe there's something wrong with the pressure, or something like that?

Otherwise, I wish you a Merry Christmas!

Greetings from the high north

@Robert
I have calculated the consumption based on a full tank. Unfortunately, I don't have a VAG-Com, which makes troubleshooting not very easy!
'I'm planning to drive a lot during the holidays, especially being very careful with fuel consumption, and I'm hoping to achieve around 6 liters per 100 kilometers!'

Let's see.
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Post23-12-2004, 13:46    Subject: Quote

6L is what I can achieve on the highway if I'm driving at 100kmh.
which logically doesn't make sense if I consume 8L at 170kmh

otherwise also around 7.5 average
My Audi B4 also requires a lot more fuel compared to my father's Passat 35i.
1.5-2.5 liters more
I always put it off until the extra few kilograms of weight from the Passat and the installation probably weighs another 70 kg.

and I also think that the Passat is simply more aerodynamic, while the Audi is very bulky at the front.

but it has been running since I bought the car, so 70,000 km
I'm always amazed at how people here set such high expectations, like 5L or so.
that would definitely improve my Audi if I drove it 50km up the mountain and then 50km back down icon_smile.gif
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Post23-12-2004, 15:42    Subject: Quote

So, I don't want to complain...

aber schaut euch meinen Verbrauch an (6,6l). Das ist der Durchschnitt, inklusive aller Kurzstrecken und der Standheizung (die bei 2 x 12 km sehr auffällig ist)... und ich fahre sehr vorsichtig.

vehicle is a skoda octavia combi, ALH, automatic, 1410kg
with climate and comfort...

I recently drove from the Rhön back, covering over 250km. I drove on the federal highway at a brisk but even pace, around 100-130 km/h...

...so that 5.4 liters come out.

...driving at around 160 km/h and occasionally pressing the accelerator... results in a fuel consumption of 6.5 liters per 100 kilometers...

'So, something must be wrong with your boxes...'

See you, Gremlin
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Post23-12-2004, 15:54    Subject: Quote

@Wurstblinker
What is your typical driving profile like? It's also not a secret that the engine starts to consume a lot of fuel at high speeds.
I need approximately 5.5 liters. This is even less for trips on highways. Record was 5 liters (mainly on the A/B highway).
A negative record of 6.5l (since 40,000 km)
I think there's something wrong too.
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Post23-12-2004, 16:18    Subject: Quote

Since my engine is also not the newest, I naturally don't constantly demand full power. Instead, I operate between 2500 and a maximum of 3000 RPM.

Two years ago, we were on a ski holiday, fully loaded, and driving on the highway at 130 km/h, we got 5.8 liters per 100 km.
I just can't achieve these values anymore!
A year ago, I went on a ski trip with a roof box. My brother also went with his Golf 4 ALH, also with a box on the roof. We drove together, achieving speeds of 150 and more, and both of us had a fuel consumption of 7.4 liters per 100 km when refueling. Everything was fine.
Since I hadn't calculated the consumption for a long time, I only realized this now!

It seems like something might be wrong with Counderman, too.

When my father used to have the car, it wasn't more than 6.5.
Something seems to be wrong!
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Post23-12-2004, 22:41    Subject: Quote

@GremlinViewing profile: Gremlin,
so, 8,5 Liter resultieren aus rein digitaler Fahrweise icon_cool.gif Bodenblech oder weg vom Gas.

lg robert
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Post23-12-2004, 23:12    Subject: Quote

I don't really want to reveal myself here...

But I have a Golf III TDI 66kW 1Z engine and I also drive quite digitally.

But I don't get more than 6.6-6.8 liters even with my driving style (which is actually very aggressive), Heated seat and automatic climate control included.
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Post25-12-2004, 18:31    Subject: Quote

So, I'm having the exact same problem.

my dad used to have a fuel consumption of around 6 liters (automatic transmission) when he drove the car (6 years ago)

When I took over the car from my sister, the thermostat was broken. After its repair, the fuel consumption improved, to around 8 liters for my car, but this is not very satisfying due to my very cautious driving style.

So, a friend of mine checked the start of the funding, and it was within the tolerances.

In January, he will also check the timing and, if the opportunity arises, replace the valve cover gaskets.

lufi, LMM are also okay. Tire pressure is correct, automatic oil is new, oil change has been done.

'Regarding just the turbo, I have a very slight oil leak, but I believe it will be resolved by the beginning of January.'

Really hope I can get the consumption back down to around 7 liters.

Here is my statistics

http://www.pgmk.de/tanken.html
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Post02-01-2005, 21:55    Subject: Quote

Hi everyone,

I also have an Audi 80 B4 Avant TDI 1Z with 240,000 km on the odometer.
He also needs 8 liters at 160 kmh on the track.
I have gotten used to it by now.
It would be nice if there were less, especially since I currently drive about 700 km per week.
The tracking isn't 100% accurate for me. Perhaps the not-so-great tires are also contributing to the problem.
What bothers me more is the high oil consumption of 1 liter per 1000 km. icon_lol.gif

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Post14-01-2005, 21:08    Subject: Quote

Hello again,
So, after I've driven 900km through the area, I'm getting a fuel consumption of 6.4l. It seems that everything is actually okay with the engine, sorry!
One possible reason why the car starts to consume so much fuel at higher speeds is the poor aerodynamics of the car, I think. City driving also leads to a significant increase in fuel consumption.
As I said, my brother's Golf needs significantly less fuel when driving at high speeds on the highway. There must be some technical progress somewhere.

How some people manage with only 4.9 liters, I just don't understand. That's really hardcore sneaking, or how does one do that?

In any case, I would like to thank everyone for their active participation in this thread and wish you all a pleasant weekend!

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Post15-01-2005, 18:34    Subject: Quote

Wurstblinker wrote:
How some people manage with only 4.9 liters, I just don't understand. That's really hardcore sneaking, or how does one do that?

{MUST NOT BE.}

1. Magic Rule:
Always operate at the highest possible gear and torque: From around 60, your car should easily be able to run in 5th gear. Let the movement flow.

2. Magic Rule:
"If I have to brake suddenly without encountering an obstacle, it means I have been pressing the accelerator too hard or for too long beforehand."
Consequence: Maintain distance, accelerate gently and then roll, and maintain distance again icon_wink.gif
(Does not apply at intersections, when entering a road from a side street, or in similar situations)
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Post15-01-2005, 23:32    Subject: Quote

Okay, I don't understand this...

Gremlin wrote:

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6.6l. This is the best figure, including all short trips and the auxiliary heater (which makes a significant difference with 2x 12km)... and I drive aggressively... The vehicle is a Skoda Octavia Combi, ALH, automatic, 1410kg with air conditioning and comfort features... I recently drove from Rhön back, over 250km, on the highway at a brisk but even pace of 100 - 130km/h... This results in approximately 5.4l... Driving at 160km/h and occasionally accelerating results in 6.5l.


I'm driving the ASZ in the Golf Highline with a 5-speed Tiptronic and Climatronic. This should actually be easier than a car like an Octavia Kombi (I just got my license, so I don't have it with me right now)...

My consumption is around 7.2-7.8 liters; and that's at a maximum speed of 150 kmh on the highway (driving 2x60 km every day); this hasn't changed in the two years since I've had the car (59,000 km).

I was able to drive my old (manual transmission) AJM without any problems, and it never exceeded 6.2 L per 100 km. If I had been driving the ASZ as I MUST drive it, given the asparagus regulations, I would have been using 5.8 liters.

I never thought there would be so much more consumption between 85 kW and 96 kW icon_cry.gif

I'm postponing it to the too short 5th. Speed of the Tiptronik (3200 rpm @ 150 km/h) and emission standards, with EURO5, driving diesel is no longer fun...

(I've got the VAG-COM, and unfortunately, the LMM values and injection amounts look pretty good. However, the DZM isn't working properly with the automatic transmission, and I'm not comfortable adjusting the PDE myself. I'm also leaving the work on the "Freundlichen" (local dealer) for that).
*Die Fahrbahn ist ein graues Band, weisse Streifen, grüner Rand*
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Post15-01-2005, 23:44    Subject: Quote

Hello,
Your Automatic has, firstly, certainly a converter that always has a certain 'margin' and, secondly, it weighs more than a normal gearbox!
This, of course, comes at the cost of performance; that is, consumption.
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Post15-01-2005, 23:46    Subject: Quote

Okay, I can definitely notice the "slump" in urban traffic (that's when it's 9L).

However, it has

a) Gremlin also auch 'ne Automatik (sogar nur 4-Gang, denke ich) und das schwerere Auto und
b) There is also a bridge over the highway on the B1.
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Post17-01-2005, 20:13    Subject: Quote

Hi,
Firstly, PDs always need an extra sip, and secondly, there's a difference of about 40 horsepower between your two engines.
Also, the fact that your engine reaches 3200 RPM at 150 also contributes to this!
Otherwise, I'm happy with my automatic, I would never buy a car without one!
I drove the A4 with Multitronik and the 96kW PD-TDI engine, it was a fantastic combination.

@ Ulf,
'Over time, I've gotten used to a slightly more relaxed driving style, but it works just fine. Of course, I don't speed up to a red light, but I let my foot ease off. I also drive slowly through the city, just so that I don't become an obstacle, since I also get annoyed by people who can't get going at a green light.'
But if I drive at 100-120 mph on country roads, and of course in 5th gear, Look, I'm just not able to achieve these consumption figures. Whatever the reason may be.
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