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Post22-06-2005, 5:47    Subject: Quote

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If someone wants your car, they'll take it; and you'll definitely never see it again. Grab and go (charge it and take it away)

Sure, here's the translation:

"Slightly off-topic:"
What greatly reassures me is the "normal" taste of the customers who want solid, well-equipped cars.

-> Perhaps window cranks (or window crank dummies, along with inconspicuous cover panels for the comfort keyboards in the doors) are a more effective theft deterrent than all WFS. icon_question.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif

When the Uli Stein joke comes to mind...
Have you heard? Last night, someone broke into all the garages on Ulf's street and stole all the cars, but they left his car alone!
If it were ever to become a reality, I certainly wouldn't be ashamed and hide my face, but I would laugh out loud icon_mrgreen.gif.

I know this might not solve your problems, but it might perhaps give some of you something to think about.
Because attractive cars will always be stolen, as Mephisto already wrote.

And it is more effective to prevent car thieves from even paying attention to a car, rather than simply making their job a little more difficult with some electronic devices icon_wink.gif.
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Post22-06-2005, 13:46    Subject: Quote

"Once, they stole an Audi from my friend, and they even got caught by a speed camera. At least he didn't have to pay the fine, but those guys were never caught."
My uncle's brand new Audi was allegedly stolen in Hungary by someone who intercepted the key code.

You could install an old phone (some kind of prepaid device) – maybe even use it to power the auxiliary heater. Then you could track the car's location, as there are services that can locate phones.

Otherwise, you could set off fog or CS gas in the car, but that's probably prohibited.
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Post22-06-2005, 14:30    Subject: Quote

I removed the door locks from my Golf. It's actually quite easy to do on the iVer Golf. It doesn't cost much at all (I think around 10 euros for 2 doors). If you're interested, I can look up the part numbers. Of course, you need an FFB (central locking system) for this to work. Okay, I left the trunk lock in place, just in case the FFB ever stops working. However, it's pretty obvious when someone climbs in through the trunk...


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Post22-06-2005, 15:21    Subject: Quote

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Because attractive cars will always be stolen, as Mephisto already wrote.
And if necessary, they can even be resold, even if they have been used icon_lol.gif.

Don't be mad, I couldn't resist icon_wink.gif.
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Post22-06-2005, 16:17    Subject: Quote

Roger wrote:
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Because attractive cars will always be stolen, as Mephisto already wrote.
And if necessary, they can even be resold, even if they have been used icon_lol.gif.

. . . unless someone steals them beforehand . . . icon_twisted.gif

But if this trend of cheaply produced, spinning comfort electronics continues, opinions will eventually (at least partially) change, and then mine won't be safe either icon_sad.gif.
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Post22-06-2005, 17:36    Subject: Quote

Hi,

GPS-based tracking systems already exist. I remember a unique BMW with 460 horsepower: Every time the ignition was turned on, an SMS containing the GPS coordinates was sent to a pre-programmed phone number.
As a result, the owner discovered some truly interesting things.

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Post23-06-2005, 6:22    Subject: Quote

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I removed the door locks from my Golf. It's actually quite easy to do on the iVer Golf. It doesn't cost much at all (I think it was around 10 euros for two doors). If you're interested, I can look up the part numbers.


That would interest me, I only need the driver's side door. It would be great if you could look up the part number for me.


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If someone wants your car, they'll get it, and you too.
You'll definitely never see it again. Up, up, and away (charge and go).
(to take with you)


That may be true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take protective measures against...
Theft requires more installation.
Besides that, my Golf 3 was broken into with a Polish key and wasn't charged.

Quote:

What Wolfman means: From every lock in every door, there goes...
Connect the cable to the control unit. The cable provides power to the control unit.
mitgeteilt, ob das Auto aufgeschlossen wurde. If you now...
If you disconnect this line, the control unit will...
_Always_ make sure the car is locked.


That sounds good at first.
I believe that the lack of contact with the door lock mechanism generates an error entry in the Golf 4. Each door has a door control unit that is connected to a central control unit via a CAN bus. I would be surprised if you could simply disconnect a cable there.

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I would like to disconnect the power supply to...
Interrupt the engine control unit.


How do I find the correct cables? My DIY manual doesn't include the engine control unit in the wiring diagram. I have a Golf 4 PD-TDI with engine code: ASZ.
Does anyone know more about that?
Is it more practical to tap into the wires behind the fuses or is it better to do it in the engine compartment?


Quote:

The door opening mechanism for the Golf 3 and Golf 4 works via a...
so-called "Polish key".


"Did the same thing happen to my Golf 3? -> The door lock cylinder is broken."

Quote:

What greatly reassures me is the "normal" taste of the...
Customers who want reliable, well-equipped cars.


Regarding that, I can say the following: My Golf 3, while solid and reasonably well-maintained...
but definitely not well-equipped. It had aluminum trim and a sunroof, but that was pretty much it in terms of extras.
No power windows, no air conditioning, and at the time of the theft, it only had a VW Alpha radio.
I never thought anyone would steal the box, but I had to learn otherwise.


Quote:

-> Perhaps window cranks (or window crank dummies).
along with discreet covers for the Comfort Keyboards.
...provides more effective protection against theft than all WFS (presumably referring to a specific system or technology) installed on the doors.


Hehe, actually, I just need to replace the tachometer scale with one from a gasoline engine.
exchange as well as replace my 6-speed gear knob with a 5-speed one, and then you're all set.
The diesel (ASZ) is no longer recognizable. Maybe just put a 1.6 badge on the back icon_wink.gif.


"By the way, what do you think about adding an additional alarm system with a pager?"

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Post23-06-2005, 8:26    Subject: Quote

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That sounds good at first.
I believe that the lack of contact with the door lock mechanism generates an error entry in the Golf 4, right? Each door has a door control unit that is connected to a central control unit via a CAN bus. I would be surprised if you could simply disconnect a cable there.

Yes, that's possible! The switch isn't monitored; it's simply a small push button.

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"Micha"


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Post23-06-2005, 8:30    Subject: Quote

Oh... disconnecting the battery is child's play. Have you ever thought about the tailgate? icon_wink.gif

Furthermore, opening a Golf 4 without the built-in front door lock cylinders is also surprisingly easy.


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Post23-06-2005, 11:16    Subject: Quote

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Yes, that's possible! The switch isn't monitored; it's simply a small push button.


I haven't removed the door panel before. Is the cable on the door lock unit easy to identify?

Quote:

Ugh... disconnecting the battery is child's play. Have you ever thought about the tailgate?


Is it easier to break into than the driver's side door?

Quote:

Also... opening a Golf 4 without the built-in front door lock cylinders is also surprisingly easy.


What's your conclusion?
Better suggestions are always welcome icon_wink.gif.

Best regards,


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Post23-06-2005, 11:53    Subject: Quote

Hi,

The question isn't whether the car is easy to break into, because it *is* easy to break into. However, disconnecting the relevant wire will cause the alarm system to immediately trigger when the car is opened using a (spare) key.

In newer VW models, this is standard: When unlocked with the key, only the driver's door can be opened. Only after the key fob is recognized by the vehicle's security system can the other doors or the tailgate be opened! If you try to open them otherwise, the alarm will be triggered!
I initially thought it was a bug, but VW programmed it that way as a (weak) response to the Polish key.
The experienced car thief will therefore forcibly open the driver's door using a slim jim and, if the deactivation line is not disconnected, will have approximately 20 seconds to disable the vehicle's security system. Then, the car can be quietly transferred to the new owner.

When you remove the door panel, you will see a wiring harness (with a black covering). The wire you need to cut is located within this wiring harness.
Alternative: Disconnect the lock and detach the cable from the microswitch, then insulate the exposed wire.

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"Micha"


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Post23-06-2005, 12:09    Subject: Quote

Hi,
The question isn't whether the car is easy to break into, because it *is* easy to break into. However, disconnecting the relevant wire will cause the alarm system to immediately trigger when the car is opened using a (spare) key.


Pfff... what's the point of all this alarm system fuss? Nobody even reacts to it anymore...


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Post23-06-2005, 12:35    Subject: Quote

Hi,

At least I react when my own goes off. Unless the blonde below me is so loud that I can't hear the alarm system icon_wink.gif.

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

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Post23-06-2005, 12:52    Subject: Translating...

[Translating...]Harhar.... icon_twisted.gif
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Post23-06-2005, 13:42    Subject: Quote

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@JulianViewing profile: Julian:
Oh damn: I was just wondering what your "harhar" means. But when I read my last post, it's already misleading: The woman who lives in the apartment below me is a blonde who likes louder, more intense music. The thin walls and ceilings just add to the problem...

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"Micha"


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Post23-06-2005, 15:17    Subject: Quote

muhahahaha.... icon_cool.gif


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