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Post22-06-2005, 6:47    Subject: Quote

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If someone wants your car, they will take it; and you will definitely never see it again. Charge, grab, and go
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Half off-topic:
What greatly reassures me is the "normal" taste of the customers who want solid, well-equipped cars.

-> Perhaps window cranks (or window crank dummies, along with inconspicuous cover panels for the comfort keyboards in the doors) are a more effective theft deterrent than all WFS. icon_question.gif icon_twisted.gif icon_twisted.gif

When the Uli Stein joke comes to mind.
Have you heard about it? In Ulf's street, they broke into all the garages last night and stole all the cars, but they left his car alone!
If it were ever to become a reality, I certainly wouldn't be ashamed and hide my face, but I would laugh out loud icon_mrgreen.gif.

I know this might not solve your problems, but it might perhaps give some of you something to think about.
Because attractive cars will always be stolen, as Mephisto already wrote.

And it is more effective to prevent car thieves from even paying attention to his car, rather than simply making their job a little more difficult with some electronic gadgets icon_wink.gif.
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Post22-06-2005, 14:46    Subject: Quote

"Once, they stole an Audi from my friend, and they even got caught by a speed camera. At least he didn't have to pay the fine, but those guys were never caught."
My uncle's brand new Audi was allegedly stolen in Hungary by someone who intercepted the key code.

You could perhaps install an old mobile phone (some kind of prepaid device) – maybe you could even use it to control the auxiliary heater. Then you can locate the car, because there's a service that can track cell phones.

Otherwise, things like fog or CS gas in the car – but that's probably prohibited.
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Post22-06-2005, 15:30    Subject: Quote

I removed the door locks from my Golf. It's actually quite easy to do on the iVer Golf. It doesn't cost much at all (I think it was around 10 euros for 2 doors). If you're interested, I can look up the part numbers. Of course, you need a factory fitted immobilizer (FFB) for it to work. Okay, I left the trunk lock in place, just in case the FFB ever stops working. However, it's quite noticeable when someone climbs through the trunk.


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Post22-06-2005, 16:21    Subject: Quote

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Because attractive cars will always be stolen, as Mephisto already wrote.
And if necessary, they can even be resold, even if they are used icon_lol.gif.

Don't be mad, I couldn't resist icon_wink.gif.
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Post22-06-2005, 17:17    Subject: Quote

Roger wrote:
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Because attractive cars will always be stolen, as Mephisto already wrote.
And if necessary, they can even be resold, even if they are used icon_lol.gif.

. . . unless someone steals them beforehand . . . icon_twisted.gif

But if this trend of cheaply produced, spinning comfort electronics continues, the opinion will eventually (at least partially) change, and then mine won't be safe either icon_sad.gif.
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Post22-06-2005, 18:36    Subject: Quote

Hi,

GPS-based tracking systems already exist. I remember a unique BMW with 460 horsepower: Every time the ignition was turned on, a text message with the GPS coordinates was sent to a pre-programmed phone number.
As a result, the owner discovered some truly interesting things.

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Post23-06-2005, 7:22    Subject: Quote

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I removed the door locks from my Golf. It's actually quite easy to do on the iVer Golf. It doesn't cost much at all (I think it was around 10 euros for 2 doors). If you're interested, I can look up the training numbers.


That would be interesting, but I only need the driver's side door. "It would be great if you could look up the tracking number."


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If someone wants your car, they'll get it; and you...
You definitely won't see it again. Charge, connect, and go.
take away)


That may be true, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take protective measures against...
Theft requires more installation.
Besides that, my Golf 3 was broken into with a Polish key and wasn't charged.

Quote:

What Wolfman means: From every lock in every door, there goes...
Connect the cables to the control unit. The control unit receives power via the cable.
communicated whether the car had been unlocked. If you now...
If you interrupt this line, the control unit will...
_Always_ make sure the car is locked.


That sounds good at first.
I believe that the lack of contact with the door lock mechanism generates an error entry in the Golf 4. Each door has a door control unit that is connected to a central control unit via a CAN bus. I would be surprised if you could simply unplug a cable there.

Quote:

I would like to disconnect the power supply to...
Interrupt engine control unit.


How do I find the right cables? My DIY manual doesn't include the engine control unit in the wiring diagram. I have a Volkswagen Golf 4 PD-TDI with engine code: ASZ.
Does anyone know more about that?
Is it better to tap into the wires behind the fuses or in the engine compartment?


Quote:

The door opening mechanism on the Golf 3 and Golf 4 works via a...
so-called "Polish key".


"The same thing happened to my Golf 3 -> the lock cylinder is broken."

Quote:

What greatly reassures me is the "normal" taste of the...
Customers who want reliable, well-equipped cars.


Here's what I can say: My Golf 3, while solid and reasonably well-maintained...
but far from being well-equipped. Aluminum wheels and a sunroof, and that's all the extras.
No power windows, no air conditioning, and at the time of the theft, it only had a VW Alpha radio.
I never thought anyone would steal the box, but I had to learn otherwise.


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"Perhaps window cranks (or window crank dummies)."
including discreet covers for the comfort keyboards.
"for doors), it provides more effective theft prevention than all WFS systems."


Hehe, actually, I just need to replace the tachometer scale with one from a gasoline-powered version.
"I want to exchange parts, specifically my 6-speed gear knob for a 5-speed one." And that's all there is to it.
no longer recognize the diesel (ASZ). Perhaps we could attach another 1.6 sign to the back icon_wink.gif.


by the way What do you think about adding an additional alarm system with a pager?

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Post23-06-2005, 9:26    Subject: Quote

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That sounds good at first.
I believe that the lack of contact with the door lock mechanism generates an error entry in the Golf 4. Each door has a door control unit that is connected to a central control unit via a CAN bus. I would be surprised if you could simply unplug a cable there.

Yes, that's possible! The switch is not monitored; rather, it's a simple micro-button.

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

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Post23-06-2005, 9:30    Subject: Quote

Ugh... disconnecting is so childish. Have you ever thought about the tailgate? icon_wink.gif

Furthermore, opening a Golf 4 without the built-in front door lock cylinders is also surprisingly easy.


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Post23-06-2005, 12:16    Subject: Quote

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Yes, that's possible! The switch is not monitored; rather, it's a simple micro-button.


I haven't removed the door panel before. Is the cable connected to the door lock unit easy to identify?

Quote:

Ugh... disconnecting is so childish. Have you ever thought about the tailgate?


Is it easier to break into than the driver's side door?

Quote:

Also... opening a Golf 4 without the built-in front door lock cylinders is also surprisingly easy.


What is your conclusion?
Better suggestions are always welcome icon_wink.gif.

Best regards,


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Post23-06-2005, 12:53    Subject: Quote

Hi,

The question isn't whether the car is easy to break into, because it *is* easy to break into. However, disconnecting the corresponding wire will cause the alarm system to immediately trigger when opened using the (pole) key.

In newer VW models, this is already standard: When unlocked with the key, only the driver's door can be opened. Only after the key fob is recognized by the vehicle's security system can the other doors or the tailgate be opened! If you do it differently, the alarm will go off!
I initially thought it was a bug, but VW programmed it that way as a (weak) response to the Polish key.
Therefore, an experienced car thief will forcibly open the driver's door using a slim jim and, if the deactivation line is not disconnected, will have approximately 20 seconds to disable the vehicle's security system. Then it goes to the new owner without any noise.

When you remove the door panel, you will see a wiring harness (with a black sheath). In this wiring harness runs the cable that you can cut.
Alternative: Disconnect the lock and detach the cable from the microswitch, then insulate the exposed wire.

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"Micha"


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Post23-06-2005, 13:09    Subject: Quote

Hi,
The question isn't whether the car is easy to break into, because it *is* easy to break into. However, disconnecting the corresponding wire will cause the alarm system to immediately trigger when opened using the (pole) key.


Pfff... what's the point of all this alarm system fuss? 'No one reacts to it anymore...'


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Post23-06-2005, 13:35    Subject: Quote

Hi,

At least I react when mine goes off. The blonde woman below me is so loud that I can't hear the alarm system icon_wink.gif.

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[Translating...]Harhar.... icon_twisted.gif
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Post23-06-2005, 14:42    Subject: Quote

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@JulianViewing profile: Julian:
Oh, damn: I was just wondering what your "harhar" means. But when I read my last post, it's already misleading: The woman who lives in the apartment below me is blonde and likes louder, more intense music. The thin walls and ceilings certainly don't help either...

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Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"Micha"


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Post23-06-2005, 16:17    Subject: Quote

muhahahaha.... icon_cool.gif


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