EBC Blackstuff Brake Pads

Hi, does anyone know if the EBC Blackstuff brake pads have an electrical wear indicator, so that it works with the wear sensor in the dashboard?


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You're welcome, it's clear now.
There are versions with and without it.

Sven.

Sure, here's the translation of the text from German to English:

"See you."


Okay, I received the "Green Stuff" brake pads for my Golf 4, which are the ones with the wear indicator. Therefore, the "Black Stuff" pads should also have them.

Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"MFG" is an abbreviation for "Mit freundlichen Grüßen," which means "Sincerely" or "Best regards" in English.

... so that this thread can still be useful for something.

After one week of using the EBC Blackstuff brake pads, I can say that they seem to offer slightly better grip than the original pads, although I might be mistaken since the old ones were quite worn.

Blackstuff are not "sports surfaces," but rather "ordinary" ones!

I can't say yet whether they produce less brake dust as promised, as they are currently only available for shipping.

"The 'grumbling' sound when gently braking to a stop at a traffic light is gone, and the 'grumbling' sound when slowly releasing the brake has also disappeared. (This is probably only relevant for drivers of automatic transmissions.)"

"In terms of price, they were definitely interesting. The VW brake pads cost around 240 euros (for all axles), and the aftermarket options were around 130 euros. I just found the EBC brake pads online for 99 euros including shipping (for all axles)."

www.webshop4you.net

I can recommend this shop; the customer service was friendly, and the process was very quick.

Best regards, Sven.

Hello, I'm reviving this thread to share some information about the durability of EBC Blackstuff brake pads.


I've been using the EBC Blackstuff pads and EBC Premium disc rotors for 4 years and approximately 50,000-60,000 km, and today the wear indicator came on.

The thickness of the windshield on the passenger side is still 5-6mm, while on the driver's side, it's 4mm on the inside and 2mm on the outside. The windshields are also in very good condition.

Brake dust is significantly less than with the standard brake pads!

"I guess you can live with that. The braking performance is still very good. I just ordered some new Blackstuff pads."

...and because of the uneven wear, I'll probably have to properly clean everything and apply a good layer of ceramic paste, which should hopefully make the new set last another 20,000 km.



Best regards, Sven.

Even though my brake usage (driving 93 km to and from work five times a week, of which 80 km is on the highway at approximately 95 km/h) is probably anything but representative:

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Hutfahrer: 07-07-2008, 12:25 Test report and initial impressions of NK-Heavy brake discs with EBC Green Stuff pads. Test vehicle: Peugeot 206 HDI70 éco with a curb weight of 1060 kg and drum brakes on the rear axle. A willing participant, to say the least! The installation wasn't problematic. The brake discs for the 2006 Peugeot fit perfectly. Not surprisingly, because anyone who had read my previous brake reports on the forum would know what was on there before. The pads were also easy to replace. First of all: Anyone who uses EBC products is usually a bit faster and could be categorized as a "speed enthusiast." I don't fit into that mold. EBC brake pads are known for being noisy, meaning they tend to squeal or make other sounds. The manufacturer states that they should be given about 1000 km to break in. This statement is generally correct, but if you're an aggressive driver, the break-in period might be longer. Annoyed by the constant squealing when cornering or due to what seemed like slow-releasing calipers, I disassembled everything just one week after the initial installation. I cleaned the pad guides in the calipers and reassembled everything using copper paste. After that, the pads moved more freely in the calipers, and they retracted more easily. I only experienced slight squealing when starting from a standstill, and even that has since disappeared. However, it took me about 2400 km to complete the break-in period. Regarding the braking performance of the combination: My previous experiences with EBC Red seem to apply to the Green Stuff as well. They perform worse when cold than the original material, so you have to start with more pedal pressure to initiate braking. Within less than a second, the brake seems to reach its comfortable temperature range and then "bites," meaning the braking force increases abruptly. This is a bit unusual and my girlfriend didn't like it much. However, this characteristic is even more pronounced with the Red Stuff. The tangentially slotted (and not drilled) NK brake discs still look like new after the aforementioned 2400 km. There are no discolorations, no scratches, and the almost full possible contact area of the pads is also being utilized. My verdict: The braking performance is slightly better than with the standard components, if you overlook the cold braking weakness. Thermally, the combination seems to be well suited for heavy loads. Two emergency braking tests at my highway speed of 110-130 km/h, once to 80 km/h and once to a complete stop, were performed without any issues. My Peugeot has an emergency braking assist system that amplifies the pedal force during emergency braking to shorten the stopping distance and simultaneously activates the hazard lights. Despite the late intervention of the ABS, the car remains manageable. However, the brake force distribution has changed, as the rear drum brakes remained unchanged. When braking more sharply in curves or when turning (decidedly late), a slight understeer is now noticeable; the vehicle tends to pull straight more strongly than before. This is a clear case, as the front axle is locked during forceful braking. My conclusion: If you "nurse" the brakes by keeping them engaged at a certain temperature, they bite better than the standard material, are affordable, and certainly won't be overwhelmed as quickly as OEM material. If you drive for a long time without using the brakes, you have to expect a slightly worse response and the brakes "biting" intermittently. I have no idea how this affects wear and tear, or how long they will last for me. One thing is certain: the EBC Green pads produce significantly less wear than the brake pads I had before. And because I'm a lazy person, this saves me from having to clean my aluminum rims every week. Now I only have to do it every two weeks! So, it could already mean that these pads last longer because they produce less wear. Regarding the discs and pads, the advantages include the elimination of fading, the apparently lower wear, and consequently, the reduced brake dust. Once the cold braking weakness is overcome, the braking performance is also not bad.

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Hat Fahrer: 2011-02-16, 14:13. Update at 100,000 km after installation: Since the end of last week, there have been whistling, squeaking noises during driving when the brakes haven't been used for a longer period. The noise disappears when the brakes are briefly applied, but then returns more or less quickly. However, the brakes were neither hot nor glowing during this time. Yesterday, I removed the wheels in the freezing cold and took a look inside, amazed. The tread depth is still 4.5 mm on the inside and 5.5 mm on the outside. The brake discs now have a slight edge, and the tangential grooves were dirty and blocked. The cleaning groove that runs across the tread was also blocked. Visually, the cleaned discs and pads look great! The imprint is perfectly flat, with no scratches or thermal discoloration on the discs. The individual rusty patches were caused by the vehicle being parked outside in the rain over the weekend without being used. I'm familiar with this! Even a single drive in the rain can cause the stuck-on pads to come loose with a loud bang the next day. The imprint or rust spot on the disc only completely disappeared after a few days. After a short cleaning, the seals, cuffs, and brake lines also look like new. No cracked rubber, no leaks, and no seized mounting bolts on the seals. I also used copper grease and then tightened everything to the standard torque. I know you're not supposed to do that, but I want to be able to disassemble everything again someday. After removing the brake pads, I saw the cause of the noise. The copper paste that was applied during installation almost three years ago had hardened in the pad guides and had combined with dust, sand, and brake wear to form a concrete-like, heavily corroded mass. The carrier plates of the EBC brake pads were also heavily corroded. All of this is a result of my driving on the highway and the excessive use of salt. What did I do? I removed the brake pads and mechanically cleaned the rust from their mounting plates. Then, in the critical areas, I applied zinc oxide spray and some leftover paint to seal the pores in the area where the pads sit in the guides. I cleaned the brake pad guides in the caliper, removed the rust, and then reinstalled the now-dry brake pads with plenty of copper paste. The time spent was unfortunately 3 hours due to the cold and the extremely stuck brake pads in the calipers. Nevertheless, I saved money because I can certainly get at least another 30,000 km out of the installed brake pads. The braking performance has improved, although the gradual loss of braking power hadn't necessarily been noticeable before.

Note: These contributions come from the closed area.

.... My driving profile is probably not very representative either; it's mostly short trips with some kilometers on rural roads and very little highway driving. This means I'm not covering much distance, but I'm braking a lot... and that's with a heavy vehicle, almost 1600 kg.

I'm not a speed demon either, more of a quick glider .

The Blackstuff pads don't require a warm-up period, and I didn't need a break-in period either (other than the usual break-in period for new pads). The noise level is the same as with the original parts.

Even during braking from 180 km/h to the speed limit on country roads, the brakes were very stable and showed no signs of fading.

I had also considered getting the Greenstuff, but I was too cheap to pay almost double the price.
VA Blackstuff for €65, VA Greenstuff for €130, for my 3BG.


Best regards, Sven.

Hello, I would say I've taken the Greensuff.
On my 9N Polo, I've tried replacing only the rear brake discs with "Green Stuff" pads and new discs, in order to keep the original discs rust-free (since I wouldn't pass the technical inspection with rusty discs).
Let's see how it performs, even when overbraking the rear axle in wet conditions?

So, 100,000 km is a distance where such things really shouldn't fail, hat drivers .
That's what's going to ruin the economy...
Okay, no joke: the combination of HD discs with Green Stuff pads is a stroke of genius. And you need to clean the standard brake pads annually or every 20,000 km to keep them running smoothly, especially as the car gets older and the calipers start to rust.

I'm sorry, Klaus! The test regarding durability has clearly shown a result. However, my current usage profile probably doesn't offer many opportunities for wear and tear. The discs are definitely still good for another set of pads, and the pads themselves should last another year easily.

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