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Post13-11-2002, 17:41    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Quote

hello

I drive a Passat TDI 90 hp, built in 1996, with already 230,000 km on it.
Logically, he doesn't have the same performance as at the beginning. However, I would like to know if there is anything I can do to get the performance back to being approximately the same as before. I hardly notice when the turbo kicks in at 1800 rpm. LMM is fine. Which parts wear out the most? What should be replaced? Do ceramic additives help, or is it all nonsense?


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Post13-11-2002, 19:32    Subject: AGR? Quote

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Are fuel filters, etc. okay?

Regarding mileage, the intake manifold could potentially be quite clogged with soot and oil, which could cause the engine to have difficulty breathing.
Perhaps the AGR valve is also not closing properly.
You can find more information about this in the AGR technical article.

The fuel pressure regulator valve also frequently causes problems in 90PS engines.
Do you have an LDA on board?

How is the compression? Have you ever done the minimal test on the go?
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Post13-11-2002, 21:20    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

[Translating...]danke erstmal.

also die filter sind alle ok und die leistung ist auch konstant schlecht. LDA hab ich leider nicht.
Wie funktioniert denn der 'minimaltest für unterwegs'?
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Post13-11-2002, 21:35    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

[Translating...]Hi,
- wie alt sind die Einspritzdüsen?
- wie ist die Russentwicklung wenn Du drauftrittst?
- hast Du eine Möglichkeit VAG-COM einzusetzen (Fehlerspeicher, Messdaten)?

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Post13-11-2002, 22:56    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

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tubbietoast wrote:

Wie funktioniert denn der "minimaltest für unterwegs"?


Hi

steht in den Gebrauchttips auf Rainers HP.
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Post14-11-2002, 0:03    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

[Translating...]danke.
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Post14-11-2002, 12:05    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

[Translating...]Die Einspritzdüsen sind glaub ich noch die ersten und die Russentwicklung ist normal. VAG-COM könnte ich vielleicht in meiner Werkstatt verwenden.
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Post14-11-2002, 13:29    Subject: How can one test the boost pressure control? Quote

Hello,
I'm experiencing the same problem with an Audi 100 Type 44 TDI, with over 260,000 km. The 120 hp and 265 Nm are not really noticeable anymore. Especially during acceleration (1500-2500 rpm), there is significantly less power, and the turbo boost is almost completely gone. I suspect the boost pressure regulator. How can I test it for leaks? Detach the hose and blow it out?

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Post14-11-2002, 14:02    Subject: Re: How can one test the boost pressure control? Quote

Hi,
Assuming that the engine of the 44 is quite similar to the AAT, apart from the AGR, the boost control valve will be controlled with a pulsed voltage. If there is no voltage (engine off or connector disconnected), the resistance must be low when the air is being forced through. If there are approximately 12V (the motor runs at idle), it must be.
Otherwise, the wastegate could also get stuck in the open position. Unfortunately, with the AAT, it is not possible to directly observe the actuation rod between the pressure gauge and the wastegate, so that the air pump test is not possible. Instead, I pushed a wire through the connection pipe.
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Post14-11-2002, 15:07    Subject: Wastegate? Quote

Hello Christian,

Thank you for your response, I will try it out.

Wastegate? I know, it's actually a well-known term, but I always thought Wastegate = boost control valve. But I'm not an expert; if I'm wrong, please forgive my ignorance icon_smile.gif

On type 44 (1T), on the spray wall, to the left of all the connector connections, there is a square can and above it a round can. Both have electrical connections and a hose to the intake manifold. Is the square one the boost pressure gauge and the round one the control valve? I think it should be exactly as with the AAT, except for the AGR and the catalytic converter, the engines are hardly different.

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Post15-11-2002, 8:41    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

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Hi Björn,
das Ladedruckregelventil hat einen zweipoligen Anschluß, der Druckgeber einen dreipoligen. Ansonsten liegst Du glaub ich richtig, ich könnte das aber am lebenden Objekt nochmal nachschauen.
Das ist eine Frage der Definition. Jedenfalls halten das hier alle so.
Zum Verständnis: Das Wastegate stellt den Ladedruck über die Abgasmenge ein, die letzlich zur Turbine kommt. Dazu wird bei den älteren Motoren der Ladedruck aus dem Saugrohr auf eine Membrandose gegeben die dann das Wastegate öffnet. Je höher der Ladedruck desto weiter öffnet das Wastegateventil und verhindert damit einen weiteren Druckanstieg. Regelungstechnisch ist das in etwa eine Proportionalregelung.
Leider ist ein solcher Regelkreis in seinem Verhalten nicht ganz optimal, so daß man das Ladedruckregelventil eingefügt hat. Die mit LDR ausgerüstetet Motoren müßten rein theoretisch bereits bei einer geringeren Drehzahl den Soll-Ladedruck erreichen als ohne.
In der Praxis ist die Regelung so ausgelegt, daß beim AAT der Ladedruck ohne Eingriff durch das LDR nur ca. 0,6 bar statt 1 bar Überdruck erreicht.
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Post15-11-2002, 11:11    Subject: That's it! Quote

Hello Christian,

Thank you for your detailed answer. I especially like the last sentence ('In practice, the regulation is designed so that with the AAT, the boost pressure reaches approximately 0.6 bar instead of 1 bar without intervention from the LDR.'). I think that's exactly what I'm experiencing. Because I have a clear boost pressure, but also very clearly too little. I'll check that out.

Hi, Björn


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Post19-11-2002, 11:58    Subject: That's not all :( cry Quote

Hello again,

It would have been so nice... I simply pulled the plug from the fuel pressure regulator valve: no change in performance, still as bad as before. When measuring between the two poles with the ignition switched off, I measure 0V, and when the ignition is switched on and the engine is running, I measure 12-13V. That made it clear to me that the valve had to be in the bucket.

Do you think I installed the new one this morning (80 euros), and everything is still as bad as before? So, that wasn't it. Does anyone have any other ideas? Maybe my boost pressure is dropping somewhere. But I've already checked everything several times. Can I perform any kind of pressure test?

This weekend, I'm getting a turbo and fuel injectors for my car at a bargain price, and I'm going to install them experimentally, just in case they make a difference.

Nerv.
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Post19-11-2002, 13:08    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

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Hi Björn,

bevor Du weitere Investitionen tätigst, meß doch einfach mal Deinen Ladedruck.
Meßbedingungen:
- ablesen nach mindestens 3s Vollgas
- Drehzahl 3000min-1
- mindestens 3.Gang

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Post19-11-2002, 14:03    Subject: Performance degradation in Passat with 230TKM Translating...

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Hi,
Wenn Ladedruck bzw. Luft verloren geht, erkennt man das am Ölschmier und an starker Rußentwicklung bei höherer Last.
Wenn man den Stecker vom LDR abzieht sollte es freien Durchgang haben. Dabei regelt sich dann wie schon mal gesagt ein Druck von nur 0,6 bar ein mit entsprechend wenig Leistung.
Über die Funktion sagt das leider nichts aus.
Interessant sind die Spannungen aber auch im laufenden Betrieb.
Wie Rainer schon sagte würde auch ich zuerst mal den Ladedruck messen. Dann aber gleichzeitig die Spannung am LDR.
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Post19-11-2002, 14:24    Subject: How to measure the loading pressure? Quote

How can one measure the boost pressure? I don't have the necessary equipment.
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