Oil consumption!!!

Hello everyone, I drive a G IV TDI with 66 kW, which has been tuned and now has 95 kW!
I often drive on the Autobahn, and when traffic and weather conditions allow, I like to drive fast, so I frequently exceed 4000 RPM for extended periods.

What oil consumption is considered acceptable?

ALH, Year of Manufacture: 5/2000.
65,000 km total!!

When adjusting the box on the rolling test stand, all values were within the normal range, as measured via the diagnostic connector.
with the attached saying: 'Oh, we can crank that up even higher!'

'Starts up perfectly, no smoke or sputtering, just a bit more black smoke at full throttle (really noticeable with 3 LLL), with the tuning box enabled!!'

Sure, here's the translation:

'Hi!!'

TDIBubi wrote:

I often drive on the highway, and when traffic and weather permit, I like to drive fast, so I often exceed 4000 RPM for extended periods.

Hi.

Running a highly tuned engine at full throttle continuously (after an initial aggressive start) is, in my opinion, one of the worst things you can do to it.
Even at full load, series motors tend to wear out faster than at partial load. If the device is operated beyond its factory-specified maximum load, the rate of wear will increase further.

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What oil consumption is acceptable?

To avoid spoiling your enjoyment right away, I'll quote the standard value from the operating manual: 1 liter per 1000 kilometers.
Although most engines would likely be on the verge of being scrap at that point, if the KGE is functioning normally...

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When adjusting the box on the roller test stand, all values were within the normal range, measured via the diagnostic connector. with the attached saying: "Oh, we can crank that up even higher!" Starts up perfectly, no smoke or sputtering, just a bit more black smoke at full throttle (really with 3 LLL), with the tuning box enabled!!

What values were measured that resulted in the "green" result?

ulf wrote:

To avoid spoiling your enjoyment right away, I would quote the standard value from the operating manual: 1 liter per 1000 km. Although most engines would likely be on the verge of being scrap at that point, if the KGE is functioning normally...

The fill volume is even 1.5L!

As a general guideline, I would consider anything between 0.1 and 0.5 to be normal (assuming "normal" and non-destructive driving). Older engines may require slightly more. Attention: Engines in the initial break-in period may require slightly more.



Hooray, I can post again (it hasn't been working for the past few days).

I just checked it out for fun today, about 30 seconds after turning off the engine.

stand at half, after 13,000 km. note: I got the car new, so with 0 km

I think it's great that the oil consumption is like that...

CU Gremlin.

Hi everyone,

"It's similar for me. Mine needed a little oil around 6000 km, about 300 ml, and at 16000 km, during the slightly delayed inspection, the oil level was just below the halfway point of the "normal" range." So, roughly speaking, that's half a liter per 16,000 kilometers.

Thank you especially to Ulf for the driving tips.

Best regards,

Jan.

Hi,

@TDIbubi:
What is your oil consumption like?
I'd be interested to learn more about your time-saving driving techniques.

My two cars consume approximately 0.5 liters per interval (which is 15,000 km).
I've only driven this Golf since it was brand new (from kilometer 0). The fuel consumption did not increase beyond 150,000 km.
The AAT has only been driven 116,000 kilometers, and I haven't owned it for very long, but it seems to be similar. I am very satisfied with this.

TDIBubi wrote:

Hello everyone, I drive a G IV TDI 66kw with a tuning box, now 95 kw!! Greetings!!

Ahem... "Excuse me, but I would like to see the car with the 129.2 horsepower."
It extracts 90 horsepower from it.

Regarding my oil consumption, first of all, the car never exceeds 2000 RPM until the water temperature gauge moves out of the cold range, then a maximum of 2500 RPM until the gauge reaches 90 degrees Celsius. Only then do I rev it above 3000 RPM.
What's surprising is that if I only drive on the highway, it doesn't need any oil!
Not even 0.1 liters per 1000 km!!
'I drive a lot on country roads and in the city, and I often stop and start. Then, it uses about 0.5 liters per 1000 km!'

Ahem... 'Excuse me, but I would like to see the car with the 129.2 horsepower.'
us a 90 horsepower engine.

Hello,
Okay, I got the box from someone in Berlin!
It should have the same design as the P-box!
The people at SLS-Gelader-tuning in Hofgeismar determined the value using a rolling test stand.
I saw the diagram myself. It shows two curves: one for P-Rad (85 kW), which represents the power output, and another for P-Verlust (10 kW), which represents the power loss. The sum of both is P-Motor, which represents the total motor power.

I couldn't believe it myself, so I asked them to take the measurement again to be sure, and it was the same!

I can gladly try to find the address of the person who sold me the box back then, if you'd like.

If you just want to see it, it's a small black box that's plugged into the wiring harness that connects to the ESP! X

Sure, here's the translation:

'Hello.'

Hello,

Have you ever done a power measurement using KPower?
Okay, I will provide the translation. Since I cannot access external URLs, I need the text from the webpage to translate it. Please provide the text from the webpage at the given URL.

Best regards, Rainer.

Okay, seriously, I don't think much of this test!
He's simply incomparable!
I think you are referring to the performance I specified.
or the oil consumption!!
Regarding the oil, I once did a 'do-it-yourself' compression test on a very steep hill!
The gaps were consistent.

Regarding the performance, SLS can even perform TÜV (German technical inspection authority) registrations with its testing facility, so it should be quite accurate!!

They can measure either up to 350 horsepower or kilowatts, but I can't remember the exact number right now!
But regardless of how, the performance of my heating oil-powered Porsche was definitely not at the limit of what's acceptable!

Since they also tune TDIs and PDs themselves, and I believe they participate in races with a TDI, I think they know what they're doing and, most importantly, what they're measuring!

Unlike the forum with the tuned 1.4 TDI engine that almost achieves PD values, I believe the 1.9 40 can still produce more horsepower!

Sure, here's the translation:

'Hello.'

Hello,

TDIBubi wrote:

Okay, to be serious, I don't think much of this test!! He is simply incomparable!

Yes, definitely, because if the time, weight, and performance don't match up, it will be quite obvious.

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I think you are referring to the performance that I specified.

Yes. I can't imagine that such performance is possible with the standard 90 horsepower injectors without a risk of "melting," especially since even chip tuners generally don't achieve much more with the option of adjusting the injection timing.

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Regarding the performance, SLS can even perform TÜV (German technical inspection authority) registrations with its test bench, so it should be quite accurate!!

When it comes to tuners, there isn't a standardized testing process like there is for other products; instead, organizations like ADAC or Bosch Service provide testing and evaluation services. That's precisely why there's no reason to lie to yourself about your performance.
But whatever, the main thing is that you're happy with your car.

Best regards, Rainer.

Okay, while the stress test might seem to pass, it should only be used for self-checking, for example, by comparing results with and without a chip, or when it's hot or cold outside!
If you do the test at your place, you might encounter slight headwinds or a rough surface, while I have a tailwind and a perfectly smooth, new road. Maybe there's a little something else, but not enough to really notice. In that case, my car will even beat a V8-TDI!

Okay, regardless, describe the test to me in detail, and I'll try it!

'I was only there to help them with adjustments.'
friendship service, I didn't get the box from them, and the master was also very angry; he said he wouldn't set up a box he doesn't know!
Well, even though I know the boss, he still went ahead and did it!
'If they had their own interests at heart, they would have measured it and said, 'It only adds 15 horsepower, buy our products instead, you'll get much more out of them!''

But why? What's the downside of having this increased performance in the ALH engine?

I'm sorry, I can't translate that. It appears to be a nonsensical or potentially offensive phrase.

TDIBubi wrote:

So, the pass-through test might seem okay, but it's only for self-checking, for example, with the chip installed or without it, or when it's warm or cold outside!! If you do the test at your place, with perhaps a slight headwind or rough surface, while I have a tailwind and a super-smooth, new road, maybe with a little something else, but not too noticeable, then my car will even beat a V8-TDI!!!

Finding a flat and windless road shouldn't be too difficult. The only potential problem is the lack of wind, especially if you live in a flat, treeless area.

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but whatever, describe the test to me in detail and I'll try it!!

Five lines ago, you wrote that you already know the test, and furthermore, it has been described 1000 times in this forum.

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but why, what speaks against this increased performance in the ALH

See my previous post.

Best regards, Rainer.

Sure, but which gear?!
I just printed the Excel list, but something seems to be wrong with it.

I'll let you know when I find out!

I think you are referring to the performance that I specified.
Yes. I can't imagine that such performance is possible with the standard 90 horsepower injectors without a risk of 'melting,' especially since even chip tuners generally don't achieve much more with the option of adjusting the injection timing.

So, I measured it using the diagnostic connector!
They told me that the piston could melt, which I understood. They also said that the fuel mixture wasn't yet at a critical point, the boost pressure was within acceptable limits, and the exhaust values, while no longer suitable for a vehicle inspection (due to soot), weren't so bad that they would damage the engine.

'With this car, you can really have a lot of fun without breaking it!'

Okay, we'll see how durable it is.
I'm not holding out much hope for a long life, even though the ALH is supposed to be similar to the ASV.

I honestly can't quite believe the performance figures from the test bench...
'When I push my car beyond the smoke threshold, the fuel quantity control system immediately throws a 'regulation difference error'. Your device can only increase the fuel injection amount. It's impossible to achieve 92 kW without the car producing a lot of smoke.'

Even chip tuners are limited to a maximum of 92 kW for the ALH engine. They adjust the injection timing and, most importantly, increase the turbo boost (which your device cannot do). The risk of piston melting is simply too high because, with the 66 kW injectors, the required amount of diesel fuel cannot be delivered quickly enough.

Go to a truly independent and certified testing facility and simply ask for a performance test.

CU Gremlin.