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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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29-01-2008, 14:21 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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Hello.
The WFS transponder, which is a glass-encapsulated electronic component, is located within the hard plastic head of the key.
Considering the high costs associated with a faulty transponder, I always get a sinking feeling whenever my keychain falls onto a hard (stone) surface.
My mother's car key (a Mitsubishi, also with WFS) has a soft head made of a material similar to tire rubber: something like that on our Seat and VW keys would be much more reassuring to me.
Is my fear of a transponder failure still unfounded?
Alternatively, what is the guaranteed drop height that the VAG transponders in the hard keys can withstand? Gruß Ulf
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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29-01-2008, 14:40 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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Hi Ulf,
I only have experience with the internal mechanisms of keys for the Volkswagen Golf 3 (and Opel Corsa B, Opel Vectra B).
Based on my flying experience, I would say that crashes are not a problem for transponders.
If this happens, the danger lies in the key head breaking apart, causing the individual components to "spray" everywhere. The transponder will remain intact, but it will fly off somewhere. This is just as bad on a company premises with many obstacles, as it is with immediate destruction.
Even if the entire key breaks off, the outcome is likely to be less severe than simply losing it due to it shattering.
Greetings.
m; Transparency, Teamwork
... there was another T.
I don't know what the f*ck it was.
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3 Phasen Biber Blaumann

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29-01-2008, 17:45 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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You're worrying unnecessarily! The transponder doesn't cost that much!
IMMO II or IMMO III? ehemals G4 ASZ, jetzt G4 ARL
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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29-01-2008, 17:49 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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3 Phasen Biber wrote: | | You're worrying unnecessarily! The transponder doesn't cost a fortune! | But the key with the transponder, and the programming of the WFS...
Quote: | | IMMO II or IMMO III? | ... exactly, because of Immo III  Gruß Ulf
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3 Phasen Biber Blaumann

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29-01-2008, 17:58 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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ulf wrote: | 3 Phasen Biber wrote: | | You are worrying again and making things up! The transponder doesn't cost that much! | But the key with the transponder, and the programming of the WFS...
Quote: | | IMMO II or IMMO III? | ... exactly, because of Immo III  |
Where is the problem?
IMMO III... Switching code... Slightly more expensive than IMMO II, but not so much that you should worry about it. ehemals G4 ASZ, jetzt G4 ARL
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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29-01-2008, 18:38 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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3 Phasen Biber wrote: | Where is the problem?
IMMO III... Change code... slightly more expensive than IMMO II, but not so much that you should worry about it. | I don't have the tools to program new transponders into the WFS on my own, or to implant new transponders into a key (that is still mechanically usable).
So, off to the VW service center to pay a fortune: That would stink to me as a result of an unfortunate key drop. Gruß Ulf
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dieselschrauber Administrator


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29-01-2008, 18:42 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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Hello Ulf,
Just to reassure you: I once dropped the car key from the first floor as well. Luckily, it didn't land in my wife's hands, but on concrete. It survived.
Best regards, Rainer.
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3 Phasen Biber Blaumann

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29-01-2008, 18:51 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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Do you have VAG-COM  ? ehemals G4 ASZ, jetzt G4 ARL
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29-01-2008, 20:51 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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Okay, Ulf... sometimes I think you worry unnecessarily. My car key has been through a lot, including being completely submerged in water... without any problems. There are many things I worry about more than my car key.
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29-01-2008, 22:19 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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I wouldn't worry about it; even if something breaks, a transponder costs around 5 euros.
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3 Phasen Biber Blaumann

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29-01-2008, 23:54 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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@ Audi drivers
In the bathtub or somewhere else? Never! If so, I'll take a few more!
I assume Ulf's problem is the missing login for the dashboard. ehemals G4 ASZ, jetzt G4 ARL
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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30-01-2008, 7:51 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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3 Phasen Biber wrote: | | Ulf's problem, I assume, is the missing login for the dashboard. | Exactly. Gruß Ulf
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cksIT Blaumann

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30-01-2008, 10:01 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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The singers are very reliable. When I converted my Audi to a key fob, I also had to remove the transponder from the old key. I pried it out with a nail file and it was inserted using a type of super glue!
I believe that if it breaks due to a crash, then you'll have much bigger problems than just a faulty transponder. Man muss es nicht brauchen, aber man muss es haben!
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30-01-2008, 10:32 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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@ Ulf
Read login  ehemals G4 ASZ, jetzt G4 ARL
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30-01-2008, 10:45 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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I believe that if it breaks due to a crash, then you will have completely different problems than just a faulty transponder...
Yep... that's just what a meteorite impact brings with it  .
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ulf Profi-Schrauber

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30-01-2008, 11:11 Subject: WFS Transponder: Reliability and Safety |
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3 Phasen Biber wrote: | @ Ulf
Read login  | And how is that done with VAGCOM? Gruß Ulf
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