TDI Camshafts: Upgrade for 1.9 Diesel Engines

Hi there,

There are various reports from car enthusiasts who use a different camshaft in the 1Z engine than the original one. Here's an example:

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Subject: Camshaft.
My mTDI is based on an SDI engine (engine code AEY), which has a similarly steep camshaft profile as the KY engine.
Result: As Simon already mentioned, the performance was consistently good from low to high speeds. Our bus expert, AnSuTiMa, was very impressed with the test drive.
Valve overlap in the AEY camshaft is definitely much larger than in the 1Z/AFN camshaft. The problem with this is that exhaust emissions are likely beyond acceptable limits, and fuel consumption will be worse.
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Kennt jemand hier die technischen Werte der beiden beschriebenen Nockenwellen (Ventilüberschneidung, max. Hub) 1Z and AEY?

And what's the truth behind the rumor that a 1Z engine with AEY camshaft performs "significantly better" at low RPM?
Could this be explained technically based on the values of the camshaft?

Regards,
Jens.

Hi,


Yes, the "Sauger NW" and "Turbo NW" models are different.

For models AEY 028 109 101 E and 028 109 101 F.
Both camshafts have a certain overlapping range, but in the case of diesel engines, this overlap is extremely small to avoid valve interference. In naturally aspirated engines, it might be possible to design this overlap to be slightly steeper to achieve better scavenging. However, turbocharged engines use forced induction for scavenging, so this steepening is not necessary and the overlap is very minimal.
If you're running a naturally aspirated engine with a turbocharger, you reduce the overall efficiency. The engine might become slightly more powerful in the lower RPM range (without much load), but it will lose some torque at higher RPMs. It might also consume more fuel. However, it's possible that this loss of torque at high RPM won't be noticeable. In other words, you'll feel that the engine has a stronger initial response, but then performs somewhat weaker afterwards. This can create an image of a more harmonious power delivery for some people.

Adjusting the ignition timing on a naturally aspirated (NA) engine is always like playing "Russian roulette."
I used to have some NW data, but I can't find it anymore... sorry .

Bertil wrote:

... I used to have some NW data, but I can't find it anymore... sorry

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Okay, I found another part:


Sure, here is the translation of the German text into English:

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To explain this in more detail, we need to take a closer look at the valve timing specifications provided by Volkswagen.
Let's assume the intake opens 15.8 degrees before top dead center.
This value is measured with an opening of 1mm from the resting position(EDIT 2008: ... and a valve clearance of 1mm). Since the acceleration of a valve drive cannot be infinitely high, I have selected these limits. The maximum possible initial slope of a camshaft is specified as 0.5mm cam lift per 10° (only above approximately 1-2mm of lift can the increase in lift reach 1mm per 10°). This means that with a measurement opening of 1mm at the valve, the camshaft already needs to rotate 20° to achieve this state. 15.8° - 20° = -4.2°, which is 4.2° before TDC (Top Dead Center). That's when the valve makes its first movement. Since the movement is not entirely linear, the intake valve should be approximately 0.2mm open at TDC (possibly even slightly less).
Similarly, the exhaust valve closes 18.7° before TDC... So, 1.3° after TDC, the exhaust valve is completely closed. At TDC, there's approximately a 0.1mm opening. Therefore, the total overlap is about 5°. This is significantly less than in a gasoline engine, but it's not surprising given the remaining small residual volume in the diesel (approximately 25ccm).
With a charging pressure of approximately one bar before the closed valve, it whistles loudly through these gaps when venting.

Here's another example of a swirl chamber diesel engine:

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My JX engine has a HUGE performance boost with the KY cam shaft, especially below 3000 RPM, and that's why I'm going to install it in every engine I get my hands on.
Please provide the text you would like me to translate from German to English. I will then give you only the translation, without any explanations.

the values:

Valve timing (source: 165).
CS (naturally aspirated), JX (turbocharged).
EV opens after OT 5°.
EV closes after UT 13°.
AV opens before UT at 27°.
AV closes before OT 5°.

KY (nipple).
EV opens after OT 7°.
EV closes after UT 23°.
AV opens before UT at 27°.
AV closes before OT 7°.
Visually, the geometry of the intake camshafts is also different.
"The 'ramp' is significantly steeper than the JX-NW section, which is quite..."
It has a rounded shape and therefore exhibits lower valve acceleration.


The firing order is always...
1-3-4-2

The KY camshaft has a valve lift that is exactly 0.5 mm greater for the intake valve.

JX neck at its thinnest point: 38mm.
JX neck at its widest point: 46mm.
KY neck at its thinnest point: 38mm.
KY knob at its widest point: 46.5mm.

With the JX cam, the valve has a lift of 8mm, while with the KY cam, it's 8.5mm.
The KY camshaft is supposedly optimized for high RPMs.

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Here, the same phenomenon is being described: a camshaft from a similar naturally aspirated diesel engine results in a noticeable improvement in the low RPM range when used in a turbocharged diesel engine.

Since all the vehicles in question have turbocharged diesel engines with a wastegate turbo, it's quite understandable that the turbocharged engine with the naturally aspirated camshaft would perform better in the "naturally aspirated range," i.e., below 2000 rpm, compared to the turbocharged engine with the "turbo camshaft." This is because the turbocharger isn't contributing much or at all at those lower speeds.
However, in the example above, a boost range up to 3000 rpm was mentioned, and in my case (with my 1Z engine), the turbocharger starts boosting at full pressure as early as 2000 rpm.

Theoretically, a large valve overlap in a turbocharged engine doesn't offer much benefit, as the turbocharger already fills the combustion chamber with overpressure. In fact, excessive valve overlap could cause the pressure to escape back through the exhaust valve.
However, it seems that optimizing the turbodiesel engine is possible, which raises the question of why no one offers this as a tuning option.
Too expensive?
Does it really not provide any extra horsepower at peak performance?

Would it be worthwhile to install a naturally aspirated camshaft during an engine overhaul that is already planned?

Regards,
Jens.

Jens 16syncro wrote:

... In theory, a large valve overlap in a turbocharged engine doesn't offer much benefit, as the turbocharger already fills the combustion chamber with overpressure. In fact, excessive valve overlap could cause the pressure to escape back through the exhaust valve.

Correction:
A portion of the filling is likely escaping through the outlet valve, which has been open for too long.

Right, and that will reduce the efficiency. Also, the exhaust emissions will no longer be optimal because there's not enough air mixing with too much fuel. This could result in excessive smoke.

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However, it seems that optimizing the turbodiesel engine is possible, which raises the question of why no one offers this as a tuning option.

Increased fuel consumption with minimal performance gain, coupled with the risk of increased emissions. No reputable tuner would do this. It could also disrupt the engine's thermal balance, which could be dangerous for surrounding components (e.g., valve train).