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Jens 16syncro
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27-07-2009, 15:47 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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Hi,
Is there a publicly available PIN assignment for engine control units (ECUs) anywhere?
1Z, manufactured in 1996, MSA16.
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1Z, manufactured in 1993, MSA8 from an Audi 80, with a VP37 and a potentiometer-based quantity control.
I would like to know what changes need to be made to the engine wiring harness when switching from version 1 to version 2.
I already know that the pump connector is different.
Thank you and best regards.
Jens. Marcus "Ar Gwenn": Für uns sind Leute arm, weil sie mit einem Eselskarren unterwegs sind, für sie sind wir arm, weil wir ein Leben lang dafür arbeiten und Geld verdienen müssen, um uns im Alter von wildfremden Leuten pflegen zu lassen.
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27-07-2009, 16:41 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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If I remember correctly, this doesn't work because of a different type of sensor used at the fuel injection pump (a potentiometer instead of an inductive sensor).
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28-07-2009, 5:48 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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Hi Rainer,
I didn't intend to mix MSG and ESP; rather, I would combine an older ESP with a compatible older MSG, using the potentiometer.
Unfortunately, there are still a few cables running between the ESP and MSG modules, and I'm very curious to know where the differences lie in the wiring harnesses.
"The pump connector is already different, as there are various types."
The LMM (mass airflow sensor) is likely not compatible, although I'm not sure whether the older Audi 1Z model still uses a hot-wire LMM or the more modern hot-film version.
Regards,
Jens. Marcus "Ar Gwenn": Für uns sind Leute arm, weil sie mit einem Eselskarren unterwegs sind, für sie sind wir arm, weil wir ein Leben lang dafür arbeiten und Geld verdienen müssen, um uns im Alter von wildfremden Leuten pflegen zu lassen.
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28-07-2009, 9:51 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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Neither nor, a check valve  1993 Audi 80 B4 1Z
2004 Seat Leon 1M ASV
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28-07-2009, 10:48 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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wolfi_b wrote: | Neither nor, a check valve  |
Did the 1Z engine in the Audi 80 have a throttle valve (air mass meter)?
I've only seen those on the 5-cylinder TDIs (AAT and AEL).
Are you sure about that? Marcus "Ar Gwenn": Für uns sind Leute arm, weil sie mit einem Eselskarren unterwegs sind, für sie sind wir arm, weil wir ein Leben lang dafür arbeiten und Geld verdienen müssen, um uns im Alter von wildfremden Leuten pflegen zu lassen.
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28-07-2009, 12:08 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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Yes, absolutely, the old 1Z engine with 182 Nm of torque and the potentiometer-controlled injection pump has an air flow meter.
I also have something like that  . 1993 Audi 80 B4 1Z
2004 Seat Leon 1M ASV
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28-07-2009, 12:46 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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Up to which production year was the air mass meter used in the 1Z model? Marcus "Ar Gwenn": Für uns sind Leute arm, weil sie mit einem Eselskarren unterwegs sind, für sie sind wir arm, weil wir ein Leben lang dafür arbeiten und Geld verdienen müssen, um uns im Alter von wildfremden Leuten pflegen zu lassen.
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28-07-2009, 12:57 Subject: PIN Layout Comparison: 1Z Engine Control Units |
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Starting with the 1994 model year, the cars were equipped with a mass airflow sensor, an HDK fuel pump, a different engine control unit, and a smaller turbocharger. 1993 Audi 80 B4 1Z
2004 Seat Leon 1M ASV
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