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Post25-03-2010, 10:58    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

Hi,

Does anyone perhaps know a link, or could someone send me a schematic diagram of the hydraulic coupler in the Bosch piezo inline injector?
It would be interesting to see how this thing is constructed, and especially how the hydraulic transmission works.
While Bosch and Google offer schematics, it's impossible to find a functional diagram icon_sad.gif.

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Post25-03-2010, 11:00    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

Do you mean the cascade of tilting levers that "translate" the movement of the piezo element?

Just like with the PPD:
SSP-352-VW Pump-Nozzle Unit-Piezo Valve Manual / 320467499892

Please link the images you have already found.

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Post25-03-2010, 11:10    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

The tilt levers are used by Siemens and Delphi, but I believe Bosch uses a purely hydraulic system, which is why they also need a pressure-holding valve in the return line.


http://www.schule-bw.de/schularten/berufliche_schulen/berufsschule/gewerblich_technische_berufe/kfz/unterrichtsentwuerfe/diesel/commonrail/1-ds-12941.jpg

That there -> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6520423.html
It's quite good, but the resolution isn't high enough to prevent it from becoming pixelated when zoomed in icon_confused.gif.

http://rb-kwin.bosch.com/us/pool/de/Diesel/Pkw/Einspritzung/CRS_Piezo.jpg

"Everything looks nice enough for a visual inspection, but the pictures aren't sufficient for understanding how it works. Unfortunately, these components are so new that it's difficult to find any defective injectors that can be disassembled and examined."
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Post25-03-2010, 11:18    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

In which VAG engines are they installed?
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Post25-03-2010, 11:41    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

The 2.0 and 3.0 TDI engines probably have it.

Schon mal BOSCH "Dieselmotor Management" 4. Quantity requested?

The cover already looks like it's advertising a piezo inliner.
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Dieselmotor-Management: Systeme und Komponenten (Bosch Fachinformation Automobil) Gebundene Ausgabe – 15. NNovember 2004.
von Robert Bosch GmbH (author)


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Post25-03-2010, 12:23    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

Yes, I have, but it's not particularly insightful. Often, the websites that are not affiliated with Bosch explain things in a more understandable way.
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Post25-03-2010, 12:36    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

Have you ever looked at SSP 351?
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Post25-03-2010, 13:22    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

vwSchrauber wrote:
Unfortunately, these things are so new that it's very difficult to find a defective injector that can be disassembled and studied.

For training purposes, we might be able to find something.


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Post25-03-2010, 13:51    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

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Have you ever looked at
SSP 351
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?

Unfortunately, I don't have that (yet).

For training purposes, we might be able to find something...icon_lol.gif

Here's the translation:

That raises the question of where they come from. I've always bought things like that as defective items on eBay, and then taken them apart. I find it amusing when you figure out that they were assembled incorrectly, and that's why they didn't (anymore) work }.
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Post26-03-2010, 16:46    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

There should be plenty of defective injectors available for vehicles manufactured in 2005 and 2006.
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Post28-03-2010, 20:44    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

Is the information you're looking for not available in the 4th edition of the BOSCH Diesel Engine Management manual, starting on page 284?
Or see page 286, "Function of the hydraulic coupling"?

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Post08-04-2010, 14:01    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

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Are the BOSCH Diesel Engine Management, 4th Edition, pages 284 and following not providing the desired information?
Or see page 286, "Function of the hydraulic coupling"?


After studying the relevant pages, I have now recognized a modified "lever principle" here... but it's somehow ingenious. icon_smile.gif
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Post08-04-2010, 14:20    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

Is the coupling more like a hydraulic lifter, meaning does it compensate for play?

"Where exactly (and that's why I marked the hints as questions) does the 'translation' occur, i.e., the change in force and displacement?"

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Post09-04-2010, 9:00    Subject: Hydraulic Translation Bosch Piezo Injector Quote

He already has a level playing field, but the power transmission to the servo valve is purely hydraulic, unlike the solenoid injector, where the servo valve acts as the core of the electromagnet.

The translation seems to be located within the connector itself, even though Bosch doesn't explicitly mention it. However, if I look at the proportions of the piezo lift relative to the opening stroke of the servo valve (as shown in the diagram), it seems there must be different piston diameters.
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