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Post29-12-2010, 22:40    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Hello, this is about a Volkswagen Golf 5 / engine code BLS.

Background:

Last night, during the extremely cold weather (-21°C), I removed the battery and charged it in the basement.

When I reinstalled the battery, the steering wheel symbol and the ESP symbol remained illuminated on the instrument cluster.
I have an older version of VAGCOM with a KEY-USB adapter for the Golf 4, and I was hoping to be able to delete those entries with it, but it's not working. I can't access the control units.
After 10 minutes, the advertisements turned off automatically. Is this supposed to happen?

But the engine's fault memory can be read out.

It contained the following:

008213 - Intake manifold flap position sensor: implausible signal.
P2015 - 000 - - - Warning light ON.
Environmental conditions:
Error status: 11100000
Error priority: 0.
Error frequency: 7
Mileage: 103,201 km
Time: 0.
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 10:52:30

Environmental conditions:
Speed: 0 RPM.
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Last: 0.0%
Voltage: 11.70 V
Key press ratio: 4.4%
Key press ratio: 0.0%
Temperature: -8.1°C

My wife drives the car. She said that a warning light came on some time ago when she was stopped at a railway crossing. The engine was off, but the ignition was still on so that the fan could run.

I deleted the error message, but it reappeared after an extensive test drive, and now shows the current mileage.
I got the impression that the car was driving as if the handbrake was slightly engaged.
The fuel consumption is also quite high, averaging 6.5 liters per 100 kilometers. I always thought it was due to my wife's driving style.

Auf was deutet der Fehlereintrag hin ? Wie geht das MSG damit um ? Emergency mode?

After that, I removed the boost pressure hose to take a look at the throttle body.
The whole thing was quite dirty, with small pieces scattered on the lid. However, I could move the lid fairly easily.

I then tried to record some machine working parameters (MWP), but only while the machine was stationary.
It's noticeable that the amount of exhaust gas being recirculated is twice as high. Something seems to be wrong here.

15:08:42 Block 011: Charge pressure control.
819 RPM Motor speed (G28)
1081.2 mbar - Boost pressure (target value).
1020.0 mbar - Boost pressure (actual value)
78.9% Control of boost pressure regulation.

15:08:42 Block 003: Exhaust gas recirculation.
819 RPM Motor speed (G28)
285.0 mg/H - Exhaust Gas Recirculation (Target Value)
440.0 mg/H Exhaust Gas Recirculation (Actual Value)
100.6% - Actuation of exhaust gas recirculation.


MWB 68 sagt 27g Asche im DPF, klingt ansich nicht nach verstopftem DPF. OR? ?

Where could the problem be?


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Post29-12-2010, 23:24    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Quote:
Environmental conditions:
Speed: 0 RPM.
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Last: 0.0%
Voltage: 11.70 V
Key press ratio: 4.4%
Key press ratio: 0.0%
Temperature: -8.1°C


Yes, that looks like the railway crossing icon_smile.gif.
Engine off and accessories on, as the voltage is only 11.7V.



Quote:
However, I was able to move the flap quite easily.


The valve is located on an electric motor with a gearbox.
"Passive movement" doesn't sound good to me in that context.

It's too cold for me to test that outside right now.
Tomorrow I might be able to take a closer look at our Golf BLS.

Le Chef has posted a picture of clipped gears for the valve in this forum.
/viewtopic.php?t=22804&highlight=bre+thrush*

Okay, please provide the German text you would like me to translate into English. I will only provide the translation.
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Post30-12-2010, 2:40    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Throttle valve:

You can tell just by moving it that there's a gearbox attached to it.
I wouldn't say it felt like grinding gears.

It definitely wasn't a problem with the voltage.
Just logged in again: the error is back.

008213 - Intake manifold flap position sensor: implausible signal.
P2015 - 000 - - - Intermittent/Sporadic.
Environmental conditions:
Error status: 00100000
Error priority: 0.
Error frequency: 1.
Mileage: 103,547 km
Time: 0.
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 15:07:14

Environmental conditions:
Speed: 0 RPM.
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Last: 0.0%
Voltage: 12.24 V
Key press ratio: 4.4%
Key press ratio: 0.0%
Temperature: 51.3°C


@Dieselmartin

How much fuel does your Golf BLS consume?
My old Golf 4 ALH used to consume between 4.8 and 5.4 liters per 100 kilometers. Compared to that, the Golf 5 BLS is a real fuel sipper. And we're driving really conservatively!


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Post30-12-2010, 11:15    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Regarding BLS consumption:

He has a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter), so you can safely add about 0.5 liters to the fuel consumption.

Our Golf was previously only used for long-distance driving (120,000 km in 20 months).
He took the values 5.3 to 5.6.

Since we've had it, the car has been somewhat misused. Actually, a diesel engine doesn't really make sense for our driving habits, but it was cheap, and I knew its history.
Therefore, it currently consumes as much fuel as my Passat with a 170 horsepower engine.

Does yours have the 5-speed or 6-speed transmission? Strangely, the 6-speed is listed as having higher fuel consumption.

Okay, please provide the German text you would like me to translate into English. I will only provide the translation.
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Post30-12-2010, 15:44    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Hello Dieselmartin,

We have a 5-speed (transmission).

The reason the 6-speed transmission consumes more fuel is due to its closer gear ratios.
Unfortunately, the 6th gear is translated exactly the same as the 5th gear on my device.

Around 2005, I looked into it extensively because we were planning to buy a new car at the time.
However, I decided to use VAG-COM and properly adjusted my beloved ALH engine (adjusted fuel injection start, cleaned the EGR valve including the intake manifold, set the pneumatic system correctly, precisely adjusted the camshaft, etc.).
After that, the fuel consumption returned to a normal level of 4.8 liters per 100 kilometers.

In 2010, after 11 years and 285,000 km, it was sold to Africa. Unfortunately, there were problems with the airbags, a damp dashboard, rusted fenders, and about 1000 other minor issues.
However, it still had the original clutch and exhaust system attached.

But what should be done with the throttle valve now? Should it be replaced? I still have 2 months of warranty on the used car.
I'm curious to see how the VW guys will react when I tell them what's stored in the error memory. They'll probably be dismissive.


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Post31-12-2010, 12:07    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

"eng" is good - that's a three-course meal with split courses icon_smile.gif.

It's really annoying when you have a Passat with a wide-spread 6-speed gearbox and also own a 6-speed Golf. After just two days of driving the Golf, I always end up hating the Passat because I find myself shifting into second gear much too early in it.
Then there's the fact that the MQ350 has a synchronized reverse gear, while the MQ250 does not... which always leads to some grinding icon_sad.gif.

Do you have detailed tables for 5-speed and 6-speed transmissions?
I've always wanted to create a speed-gear chart for the Golf and Passat, but I never have enough data, so I'm never sure which gear I'm looking at.


Today, I'm going to take a closer look at the valve cover – and besides, you can easily remove it yourself; it's very accessible.

Okay, please provide the German text you would like me to translate into English. I will only provide the translation.
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Post31-12-2010, 14:41    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

For the engine and front-wheel drive models, there are manual transmissions available.

5-speed JCR.
6-speed JYJ.

The 6-speed transmission has a shorter gear ratio starting from the second gear, which means that the 6th gear is only slightly longer than the 5th gear of the 5-speed transmission.

Translations:

GKB; Axis; 1st gear; 2nd gear; 3rd gear; 4th gear; 5th gear; 6th gear.
JCR: 3.389; 3.778; 2.063; 1.347; 0.967; 0.744
JYJ: 3,389; 3,778; 2,267; 1,524; 1,107; 0.875; 0.725

Therefore, for each individual gear setting, the overall transmission ratio is:
JCR: 3.389 * 0.744 = 2.521416
JYJ: 3,389 * 0.725 = 2.457025

Expressed in revolutions per minute (RPM) at a speed of 150 km/h:

JCR: Approximately 3150 RPM.
JYJ: ~3080 RPM

At a speed of 4000 RPM:

JCR: Approximately 190 km/h.
JYJ: Approximately 195 km/h.

I find the differences in the 6th gear to be incredibly ridiculous.
The TDI's torque easily compensates for a 70 RPM drop.
In my opinion, this transmission is a blatant piece of nonsense and at best serves only as a marketing tactic to appear better than the competition, such as the Astra and Focus.


I hope I was able to help you.


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Post31-12-2010, 17:13    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Okay,

Golf car disassembled, filmed, and reassembled.

Turn the bass up full blast when the V157 turns back on after being shut off icon_wink.gif.

For almost 130,000 kilometers, everything looks very clean. (I have more pictures... coming later).



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Post31-12-2010, 19:12    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

What a dream... The valve cover is spotless... or did you verschandeln it beforehand???

On my car (with 100,000 km on the odometer), the intake manifold flap is completely clogged.

There are even small pieces of coal dust on it.

The black grime on my hands and fingernails still won't come off, even though I only removed the hose.

I'm starting to suspect that the EGR valve isn't sealing properly.

I ordered the original VW repair manual from TEC Verlag a few days ago, and it arrived today.
It describes how the EGR valve can be disassembled and cleaned. I'll probably try that soon.

Watch this.



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Post31-12-2010, 23:57    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

No.

I didn't verschandeln anything. This is the first time it has been opened since it was assembled today.

Many pictures:
Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate into English.
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Post01-01-2011, 11:54    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

So, on my AXR engine, the valve looks almost as verschandeln after nearly 200,000 km.
Apparently, I'm not experiencing the same issue with the AGR valve as some other users in this forum.
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Post05-01-2011, 11:59    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

What's the current status here?

Do you have any pictures of the Siff?

Thank you.
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Post07-01-2011, 2:09    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Hi,

Unfortunately, due to the weather and the lack of a garage, I haven't been able to do anything at all.

Meine Frau fährt ja das Auto zur Arbeit, und war am Montag bei VW. Error reading, etc.

On the upcoming Monday, January 10th, the throttle valve and its connector will be replaced.

Still under used car warranty, costs €120. The current performance is really disappointing. Hopefully, it will improve.

I might be able to check in again on Saturday.

I'll get back to you later.


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Post07-01-2011, 14:50    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Regarding the match against Porto, I'd like to have those old stands back if they can be removed.
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Post13-01-2011, 15:58    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

Hello,

The flap and connector were replaced by Volkswagen on Monday. (Why the connector? )

Subjectively, the car feels more responsive at lower RPMs, up to 2000 U/min; it rolls out for a longer distance and feels lighter on its feet under partial load. I hope that makes sense.

The 'coasting' with very little gas is working better again.

With the old throttle valve, the engine braking was much stronger, and more gas had to be applied during partial load operation.

The MFA (multifunction display) shows slightly different consumption values at partial load. I just filled the tank completely; let's see if anything changes.

@Dieselmartin

According to the master craftsman, the lid will be retained for inspection (if you believe that), as stated in the warranty terms.

Der Spaß kostet mich jetzt satte 120€. PrHappy Lunar New Year.

I'd be interested to know how the manufacturer Pierburg handles warranty issues in these situations. In principle, suppliers should also provide guarantees to VW. Furthermore, I believe that components like these should be designed to last for life, meaning they should be able to withstand more than 100,000 km.


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Post13-01-2011, 16:54    Subject: Intake manifold flap position: implausible signal Quote

flightmaster wrote:
(Why the plug??)
Broken while being removed!
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