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26-01-2023, 17:25 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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For the rims with part number 4K8 601 025 Q.
https://www.original-felgen.com/4k8601025quj2k80.html
After calling Audi customer service today, I was informed that Audi AG has not been issuing these types of certificates since August 2022.
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These rims are intended to be registered for an A6. We have already had a discussion with a TÜV inspector who would approve the registration. However, he wants to have this certificate of load capacity.
Where else can I inquire about obtaining this certificate? Viele Grüße
Andreas
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26-01-2023, 17:54 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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26-01-2023, 18:33 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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Hello,
Search the web for expert opinions using the 5-digit KBA number found on the back of the wheel rim.
ATS Wheels wrote: | | Search for the corresponding test reports using the KBA number on your wheel rim | .
Best regards, Rainer.
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26-01-2023, 22:42 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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The rim is manufactured by Ronal (if my memory serves me correctly).
On the website, it says:
Original wheels are part of an original (standard) vehicle and are also homologated with such vehicles. Accordingly, we do not have any test reports or other documents available. Please contact the relevant vehicle manufacturer or tuner. Viele Grüße
Andreas
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26-01-2023, 22:54 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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...still has a KBA number, which is related to the documents you're looking for; just take a look at the rim.
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26-01-2023, 22:57 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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Good evening, Andreas,
The primary supplier is BBS.
They also offer good customer service.
Alternatively, the group will also be supplied with the rim by Uniwheels.
Best regards and good luck.
Michael.
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27-01-2023, 12:29 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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I have now contacted BBS. The colleague who handles OEN products will be back in the office starting Monday.
It remains exciting. Viele Grüße
Andreas
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27-01-2023, 21:09 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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Hi Andreas,
I visited my trusted Audi dealer today to do some research.
Certificates of conformity for the permissible load are available for Audi A6/A7 models up to 2018 (internally designated 4G), but not for the subsequent 4K model from 2018 onwards. For this model...
He has created what is called a "ticket" with Audi for the rim with part number 4K8601025q; this is likely a dealer inquiry to Audi.
He wants to call me back early next week if he receives a response from Audi.
Despite this, it should still be possible to obtain information through the Certificate of Conformity (CoC) or the EU type approval documentation of the...
Determine all wheel and tire combinations for the vehicle! There, you will find a list of all approved wheel sizes and offset values!
This document will be handed over to the first owner along with the new car. In case of loss, a fee may apply when contacting the manufacturer.
providing the vehicle identification number and, if applicable, Proof of ownership required to apply for a new Certificate of Conformity (CoC) document.
If I receive a callback, I will post here.
Best regards, Richard. Fabia 1 RS (ASZ), 7x17 "Spider"-Felgen, S1-RLG, H&R-Stabikit
Fabia 1 1,9 Tdi (ATD), 7,5 + 9x16 Borbet E, P-Box
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27-01-2023, 22:24 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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The A6 CoC document will not contain any relevant information because the A7 has a different equipment type. In this case, it is ONLY about the equipment type. If we obtain a load-bearing certificate for this rim, the registration is almost certain to be approved. Viele Grüße
Andreas
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27-01-2023, 23:43 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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Under the link to the rim, you can find it in the "Model Overview" section under A6 C8 (4K).
A typical load capacity of 775 kg.
Under A7/S7(4K), the typical load capacity is 825 kg. That's better than the other way around.
Quote: | If we obtain a load-bearing certificate for this rim, the registration is almost certain to be approved.
| The 13mm, which means the A7 rim (ET30) protrudes further out compared to the A6 rim (ET43), should still be within the wheel arch/fender.
to be covered. I don't see a problem with that either.
Quote: | | It remains exciting. |
I also see it that way  . Fabia 1 RS (ASZ), 7x17 "Spider"-Felgen, S1-RLG, H&R-Stabikit
Fabia 1 1,9 Tdi (ATD), 7,5 + 9x16 Borbet E, P-Box
Polo V 1,6 Tdi (CAY)
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28-01-2023, 10:50 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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E30_V8 wrote: |
Under A7/S7(4K), the typical load capacity is 825 kg. That's better than the other way around.
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The A7 is also heavier than the A6. Nevertheless, the inspector wants the load-bearing capacity to be officially confirmed.
Furthermore, my brother-in-law examined the inside of the rims, checking the KBA number and the manufacturer's name. He found absolutely nothing. It was different before.  Viele Grüße
Andreas
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30-01-2023, 13:29 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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Today I received a response from BBS. They do not manufacture rims for Audi. Viele Grüße
Andreas
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30-01-2023, 21:26 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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Hi Andreas,
I received the following feedback today:
Please provide the German text you would like me to translate.
Ich_Can_nix wrote: | The primary supplier is BBS.
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Besides BBS and Ronal, Borbet is also a supplier to Audi.
Perhaps an inquiry there would be helpful  .
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He didn't receive a load capacity certificate, but he pointed out the possibility of obtaining one through "feedback via a..."
To request product support via DISS (Direct Information System Service) in ELSA (Electronic Service Information System), which then only...
You can do this with the vehicle's registration document (FIN or vehicle certificate).
It would be more efficient if his brother-in-law went directly to an (Audi) dealership in his area to inquire about it, otherwise it would involve too many intermediaries!
Hopefully, it won't then depend on the mood or willingness of the case worker...
It's worth a try!
Best regards, Richard. Fabia 1 RS (ASZ), 7x17 "Spider"-Felgen, S1-RLG, H&R-Stabikit
Fabia 1 1,9 Tdi (ATD), 7,5 + 9x16 Borbet E, P-Box
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01-02-2023, 11:27 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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In addition, I contacted AUDI customer support and received the following response:
...thank you for contacting Audi customer support.
You are requesting that we send you a bicycle load.
We regret to inform you that we are currently unable to issue axle load certificates. Due to customer demand, we are investigating whether we can provide you with the relevant data in the future.
Once we have found a solution to this issue, we will be happy to contact you. Until then, we kindly ask for your continued patience.
I will refrain from making another comment  . Viele Grüße
Andreas
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01-02-2023, 12:15 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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I just spoke with Superior Industries (ATS, RIAL, Alutec) on the phone. The manufacturer is always cast into their rims.
Who the hell did this? "The rim was produced, and how is it possible that there is no information about the manufacturer?" Viele Grüße
Andreas
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01-02-2023, 13:19 Subject: Rim for Audi A7, Load Capacity Certificate |
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At Borbet, they told me that every Borbet rim, whether for their own brand or as an OEM product, always has the Borbet marking. Therefore, this rim does not come from Borbet either. And even if Borbet were the manufacturer, they would not have any certificates or similar documents.
Audi is in a more powerful position here  . Viele Grüße
Andreas
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