Not opening sharan + the Friendly

The Beginning:

It's hot, the sun is shining. In the Sharan, there's the 2-year-old son, the car keys, and the door is locked. Why, still a mystery.
What is the mother doing? She naturally calls the emergency number of VAG...
Approximately 30 minutes later, the cheerful fellow arrives. (Drive time: 2-3 km) Due to his extensive experience, he immediately knows: the glass must be broken. Therefore, he only has a hammer with him.
After the disc is broken, he can still reach the key in the vehicle, but not yet. He says he needs to go back to the branch to get a wire.
Since the children's oven appeared to be potentially harmful for another 30 minutes, the mother of the present drivers provided an umbrella and retrieved the key herself, successfully.
The apprentice can leave.

Now there's a hole in the car:

Call from my wife to the VAG dealership. Regarding the question: 'Does the 'emergency opening' cost anything?' Replied the friendly: No, in such emergency situations, there are no invoices.

The VAG mechanic offers to order a new disc. Okay, I understand.
The mechanic calls, saying the part will arrive on the weekend. I tell him I will pick it up and install it myself. There's disappointment in his voice, and he suggests that they could also read the error codes at the same time. With the caveat that I have already done this, we remain.

The disc is removed and installed. No comments.
Three days later, the postman delivered an invoice for a non-emergency opening at €47.68!!

Following written correspondence and phone calls, the following can be summarized:
If we had had the disc installed during the repair, the emergency opening would have been free of charge. For this, we would have had to pay for the installation.
This connection was not previously mentioned.

Now the question:
Is this type of vehicle opening technology compliant with technical standards? A well-known master once mentioned 'air kiss technology' for vehicle opening. Are there any specifications from VAG?

Best regards

BERT

hello,
Does this Sharan have a key with an internal key? Then there is a tool that allows you to easily and effortlessly open the lock cylinder from the outside in seconds. I remember seeing various TV shows where a 10-year-old child opened a car like this. Does your friendly expert know about this? Really competent.

CU Gerrit

[Translating...]........

if you're already censoring me, then remove my comment completely.
so you are distorting my perception of the issue.

btw: I think your behavior as an admin is simply TERRIBLE!
every contribution that does not agree with my opinion will be censored or
gelöscht ! prima. weiter so.

... Bitte gib den deutschen Text, den du übersetzt haben möchtest.

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...[Removed by Admin]... regarding your problem: the hammer situation was completely unnecessary, like a waste of space. A valet parker should be able to open the car damage-free within 10-20 seconds. The story about the invoice also speaks for itself. Conclusion: Never leave your child alone in the car in the sun, and change your VW dealer. _________________ Sometimes, the journey is the destination. Sometimes, however, the goal itself is in the way!! Upward Rainer K. Administrator Registration Date: 12.04.2002 Posts: 1181 Address: Emskirchen Written on: 2003-06-19 9:13 AM Title: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan had written the following: Sorry, but I would NEVER (!!!!!) leave my 2-year-old son ALONE in the car in the sun! No matter what the circumstances. They should have cut the roof off with a rescue saw! (This was the original text) ...leaving a child unattended in the car... bla bla (Additional posts by Stefan, now deleted) It depends on how long, or? Probably you don't even have children... but still making stupid comments.

Removing your foolish and unnecessary comment, as well as the subsequent posts, seemed like the best idea to me.
If you disagree, that's your problem.

I will not tolerate nonsense and baseless accusations against other forum participants here!
Not at all, if you express your opinion without knowing the situation, or were you there, Stefan?

Rainer

According to your statement, I understand that you support leaving 2-year-old children alone in the car in the sun?
That perfectly matches the image you're slowly getting of me.

Okay, hier ist die Übersetzung:

So, jetzt kann ich noch löschen / ändern und Fakten verdrehen, wie ich will.
I am saying goodbye to this kindergarten.

The only thing I support is that you should leave if you're wandering around without knowing about the event. Bye bye...

Before a fundamental discussion about 'Leaving children in the car' breaks out here:

Of course, the child was not left in the locked car. The child was properly loaded after the shopping trip and the key was thrown onto the front seat. (I know that's not how you do it)
After closing the rear door, the vehicle was locked. Whatever!


Bert

Hi Stefan,

{According to your statement}, I understand that you support leaving 2-year-old children alone in a car in the sun?

Stefan wrote:

That perfectly matches the image you're slowly getting of me. Okay, hier ist die Übersetzung: So, jetzt kann ich noch löschen / ändern und Fakten verdrehen, wie ich will. I am saying goodbye to this kindergarten.

... that's why such comments are completely nonsensical, especially without your background knowledge.

As you can read in Bert's explanation, it was an "accident," and something like that could also happen to you (Overprotective Dad). You were completely wrong to get so worked up.

Now, get back on track, you did make a mistake! I think an apology to Bert would also be a good idea.

By the way, there's a great central locking system in the central control (with remote and alarm): If you open the car with the remote control and don't open any of the doors, the alarm system will automatically close the central locking after 45 seconds. So far, so good. If you open the trunk to welcome someone and put the key in the trunk (because it's in the way), the automatic door system will NOT be deactivated. If you close the trunk now, the entire car will be completely secured and your key will be inside!
"This also happened to me, and before that, my daughter had climbed onto the back seat through the backrest (without opening the door), the trunk was closed, and the key was inside. The "Safe" locking system does not allow you to open the passenger compartment from the inside. By chance, I had the spare key in my wallet, and everything worked out well." I don't imagine it would be so fun if I had to rely on a friendly person.

Furthermore, there were also several Opel models where the central locking would be activated when closing the trunk, even if the key was in the ignition.

Such incidents happen repeatedly.

On my 5-year-old Golf 4, the automatic door lock system is deactivated after 45 seconds when the trunk or one of the doors is opened. It also works with the trunk; I tested it again just to be sure.

So, the procedure: unlock the car remotely, open the rear door, close the rear door, wait 45 seconds: nothing happens.

Perhaps this can be adjusted somewhere via VAG-Com in the Comfort Control Unit's electrical system?

Hi Kenny,

kenny wrote:

My 5-year-old Golf 4 has an automatic door locking system that turns off after 45 seconds when the trunk or one of the doors is opened. It also works with the trunk; I tested it again just to be sure. So, the procedure: unlock the car remotely, open the rear door, close the rear door, wait 45 seconds: nothing happens. Maybe it can be adjusted somewhere via VAG-Com in the Comfort Control Unit's electrical system?

Do you have a burglar alarm system? Then you have this automatic deterrent! And according to VW (WOB), this is indeed a software error.

Hello Bertil,

At VW, the key fob is always included with the alarm system. Previously, this was called the 'Technical Package (MFA, Alarm, and Key Fob)', but now the key fob and alarm system are standard. At least for the Golf Highline and Comfortline models.
However, the indoor surveillance alarm system still incurs an additional cost, but this is only for the indoor surveillance.
Mine is still one of the older ones, but with a tech package. I also have an alarm system - it has been quite noticeable every night (why only at night?!) for some time now because something wasn't working properly with the lock (on the back right).

That should definitely be possible with VW. They can also (supposedly, I'm not sure) adjust whether only the driver's door opens with 1 press, or all doors open with 2 presses, or if all doors open with 1 press, etc.

Maybe there's just a perfectly functioning control unit in the old car, after all. But if it were just a software bug, then they would fix it during the inspection, or can't VW do that?

Stefan

Hi Kenny,

kenny wrote:

I'm sure that can be adjusted in VW, ...

no, it's not possible. VW reports a SW bug, which is a safety feature according to the manufacturer.
That's just like opening the front door using the wireless control system. In older Audi A3 models, it was possible, while in the Golf 4, it was not possible, even with simpler electronics!

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they can also (supposedly, I'm not sure) determine whether, with 1 press, only the driver's door opens, or with 2 presses, all doors open, or whether all doors open with just 1 press, and so on...

That's right, that's called single-door opening and it's even mentioned in the BDA.

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Maybe there's just a perfectly functioning control unit in the old car, after all. But if it were just a software bug, then they would fix it during the inspection, or can't VW do that?

See above: "It's not a bug, it's a feature!"

So, at least, the automatic closing function after 30 seconds is now standard.
That's because ALL vehicles with FFB do it. Regardless of whether an alarm is present or not.

and the bug that the trunk wasn't disabled for this function is also fixed, because my Octavia and my Passat remain open after opening the trunk.

'The automatic locking function while driving, as well as individual door opening, are described in the operating manual. There is a note stating: 'The dealer can unlock this upon request'.'

however, the automatic relocking function CANNOT be disabled...


See you, Gremlin

Hello!

It has happened to me twice now that my 2002 96PD G4 SE, after being opened via the key fob, has had the door (regardless of which one) open, then locked, and the alarm has been triggered.
I had put the key with a few purchases on the passenger seat.
Since they always drive with two keys.

I'll try it again next time to see if the phenomenon also occurs with the key in the ignition.


Greetings...

Could it be that the contact in the door lock is defective, or has been defective, which also causes the interior lighting to turn on when the door is opened? It was the same for me, and suddenly the key was in the car and the doors were locked....