TDI PD Passat 3BG: 96kW Performance & Acceleration

Hello everyone!
Can someone please tell me what's happening in this situation? When you accelerate sharply from a standstill on a wet road, while the wheels are turned, the car starts to hop and shake violently throughout the entire drivetrain, to the point where it feels like the engine and transmission are about to explode. It's only this extreme when it's wet AND the wheels are turned. For example, turning at an intersection -> poor visibility ---> oh, someone's coming ---> strong acceleration ---> then it happens. And it escalates to the point where it doesn't calm down. I voluntarily take my foot off the gas. It's terrible. It must be hell for the timing belt, transmission, drive shafts, and joints! I'm already afraid to accelerate quickly on a wet road, unless it's going straight. What could this be? And why? When you turn ESP off, of course, nothing happens except that the wheels spin. As soon as I'm in 2nd gear, the ASR/EDS regulates smoothly. Why does the EDS or ASR regulate so extremely in 1st gear that it feels like you're going to lose the engine?
Thank you for your help.

Greetings.

Because any intervention in the Electronic Data Capture (EDC) system during the initial phase has the most significant impact.
It's inherently logical. However, I can't judge how different your experience might be from mine, as my car rarely encounters situations where the wheels spin and the steering wheel locks up.

Hello!
Thank you for the response. By ' Einschlag,' I don't mean something as extreme as fully parking inside, but it should be at least partially.
I understand that the effect is greater the slower you go, because the system essentially only closes/opens/closes/opens the brake calipers, etc. But IS IT REALLY THAT EXTREME? That's truly extreme and brutal!
And now, just say that you've never taken a corner faster on a wet road . Also, it's hardly noticeable at all when accelerating straight . You can feel it, but it's not a brutal jolt! And on a dry road, it always works without any jolting.

That's probably a really unfavorable combination of steering angle, grip (slip), and power; I can't explain it any other way. But it's bad because, especially with the PD mode, the turbocharger kicks in so brutally, and you can quickly end up in this scenario }.

Greetings.

Of course, it could also be that one of the front engine mounts is too soft or even already worn out.
My Passat 3B doesn't have ASR or any other electronic aids, but the symptoms are the same as the ones I just experienced. In my case, both front bearings were completely worn out, and when turning quickly or releasing the clutch abruptly, there was a loud noise at the front, as if nothing was securely attached. I can imagine that if, for example, only one bearing is worn or both are worn, it could lead to a rocking motion in conjunction with the interventions of the electronics. It's at least worth considering.

If I start making things up... just delete it.

Best, Sascha.

Die Überlegung ist natürlich richitg! Aber da ich Stammgast beim bin weiß er und ich daß es die Lager nicht sind. Was wir beide wissen ist, daß die Motoraufhängung beim 3BG TDI PD generell SEHR WEICH ausgelegt ist. Aber sonst gibt es ja auch in KEINER Situation ein schlagen oder klopfen, alles butterweich sozusagen! Nur in this one!

Greetings.

Well, the electric system doesn't just brake using the calipers. The EDC reduces the fuel injection amount, and the EDS redistributes the power flow. It's quite possible that something isn't working correctly there.
What kind of tires are you using?
"Of course, it occasionally happens that the tires slip a bit, even for me. However, I believe I have very good tires installed, and I generally never drive with the wheels spinning, as I am aware of the issue."

So, a PD is easy to get into oversteer, especially when it's wet, even without using the clutch. And even if you do use the clutch, special rubber parts won't fix it. And if they do, the rubber parts are okay.
Winter: 205-55-16 Conti Wintercontact.
Summer: 225-45-17 Conti Sportcontact 2

It doesn't matter which one is installed; it only happens when it's wet and you hit something.

Greetings.

Okay, well, I'm at a loss. I also drive a TDI PD 96kW (ASZ) engine in a Golf, and I have a pretty good handle on it.

Hi,
That's not the point! Of course, you can drive more gently and *before* the point where the wheels start to lose traction. But what I'm concerned about is whether it's really normal for a Passat to start bouncing and jolting so violently (only in *this* situation).

Greetings.

"My company car, a Passat 3BG with a 96kW TDI PD engine, doesn't seem to have this issue, at least it hasn't been noticeable in the last 150,000 km. I can only say that it's possible if you're driving with excessive engine power and turning the wheels. In that case, the differential has to distribute the power, the EDC needs to reduce the gas, and the ASR needs to engage. It's conceivable that the power demanded by the driver can never be fully transferred to the road, and that due to the short gearing, the interventions of the electronics are very harsh, or "escalate." So, I think that's the end of the discussion. If, as mentioned, it's not a bearing problem, and the rest of the electronics are working, there are no errors in the memory, the mechanics are in perfect condition, and your trusted VW dealer says it's normal, then that's that."
I can only say that with my Passat, it sometimes happens that it simply stalls when starting (with the wheels turned). It took me a long time to get used to that, because my Golf doesn't do that. Now that I'm used to it, it hasn't happened again, but it shows that I apparently tend to start with very little gas.