leicht OT: Fahreindrücke Vergleich PD-VP

Hello everyone!

Please don't hit, I'll keep it short with this OT topic.

Today, I drove approximately 500km on a business trip in a brand new Passat 3B Combi with a 96kW PD engine.
Overall, I have to say that the car was a lot of fun.
Compared to my VP-TDI, I found the engine's characteristics to be very unbalanced, as there was almost no power output until around 15001/min, and then a huge torque surge.
The acceleration in the 1700 to 2500 RPM range is really fun because the engine simply revs up powerfully. However, I find the power gap after a quick shift to be quite large. The VP is starting up again more quickly.
However, I find it quite peculiar that there is a pronounced torque deficit below 1500 1/min.
I even managed to stall the car once because the PD was almost idling at a speed close to the LL (Low Load) RPM. My VP motor has never been disassembled, even though it has now reached approximately 170,000 km. It is still functioning perfectly!
In the upper speed range, I found the PD to be somewhat sluggish, especially at speeds around 180/190 km/h, it became sluggish and required considerable effort and acceleration to reach speeds of 220 km/h.
I also noticed that the Passat Combi had a relatively short gear ratio in 6th gear. Does the sedan have a longer gear ratio? At any rate, the engine speed at 100 km/h was approximately 2000 rpm. The overall translation is therefore hardly longer than my A3.
I was also very shocked by the fuel consumption figures of the MFA with the Bleifuss engine: Up to 14.5 l/100km were consumed by the PD engines in the combustion chambers
Overall, I find the VP's characteristics to be much more harmonious and easier to handle. Regarding average consumption, the VP clearly has the upper hand.

Now, that's really good.

Greetings
Alex

hi alex,

It was the same for me after the first ride with my 96kW bike. It stalled, I got a kick to the groin around 1500 RPM, and it was slow to accelerate.

Currently, I no longer want to give back this weapon. We are a team, and the initial adjustment problems have disappeared. After the recent change a few weeks ago, I am now driving it with around 6.1 liters and with a strong accelerator. Also, the 'stuttering' at the top has improved.

but in one thing, you're right. the VP's handle things better both below and above, and they are also a bit more agile.

the VP's are also better at maneuvering both above and below

With 90 or 110 horsepower, these things are simply shorter, right? And as eager as my AWX was, there hasn't been a more exciting TDI in the VW/Audi group. There are only the CR_machines from MB and BMW that are better.
And whoever drives around at 4.1L/100km shouldn't be surprised if the car is impounded.

@julian

My winter A4 (AFN) with a chip produces around 140 hp on the road at the highest level, accelerating homogeneously, and this is, in my opinion, not necessarily only explainable by a shorter gear ratio.

but as I've already said: I wouldn't give up my awx either.

joergs wrote:

Currently, I no longer want to give back this weapon. We are a unit, and the initial adjustment problems have disappeared.

Just before this point, I am also.
I certainly don't want my AFN-G3 back anymore - at the beginning, I wasn't always so sure about it . . .

julian wrote:

And if someone is driving at 4.1L/100km, they shouldn't be surprised if the car is impounded.

Why do I suddenly think that I am the one being referred to?

And even if that's the case, I trust the (compared to gasoline engines, according to my experience with the AFN) pleasantly short "free burn time" of a few kilometers

Hi,
It feels familiar. /viewtopic.php?t=4393&highlight=pd+abgew%FCrgt

And so far, my AWX has been more dangerous than any TDI engine ever produced by VW/Audi. There are only the CR_Maschinchen from MB and BMW that are better.

Besides the 330D and anything over 270CDI, you should definitely consider a suitable V6 TDI, and you'll quickly change your mind. From the VAG group, I haven't seen any 4-cylinder engine that would have overtaken me on the highway so far.

So, between the Passat V6 (163 hp) and the Octavia (130 hp), the difference is noticeable at top speed. Up to 180 km/h, the Passat has no problem, while the Octavia starts to struggle.

By the way, the ASZ is actually running very poorly at high speeds (similar to Julian's AWX). It lacks 'robustness' at high RPMs...
it could also be the case, because HE usually moves it beyond 3000...

See you, Gremlin

Gremlin wrote:

The ASZ, by the way, is really running hot (similar to Julian's AWX). It doesn't have much "stamina" at high speeds... It could also be because HE usually moves it beyond 3000...

. . . or it is randomly set incorrectly:
/viewtopic.php?t=6847&start=13

Hi,

So, in my small PD, the disharmonious energy release mentioned by Donalexo is not so pronounced.
The transmission is a joke. Starting in first gear with a trailer is extremely difficult due to the very long gear ratio. Unfortunately, long-term affairs are now commonplace.

up to 180, the Passat won't make any headway, and then the Octavia will.
See you, Gremlin

Exactly, is this about these specific RPM ranges?

....when using the first gear with a trailer, it is extremely difficult to achieve due to the excessively long gear ratio. Unfortunately, long-lasting orgies are now commonplace.

where did I even get that from... with the easy slope... oh dear...
but once the ball rolls, then it rolls.......

. . . or it is randomly set incorrectly:
/viewtopic.php?t=6847&start=13

Hmm, completely over-engineed Porsches with their heavy weight are, in my opinion, not necessarily a suitable basis for a fair comparison.

Hi,

here's a thread on the topic, which fully confirms the above observation:

/viewtopic.php?t=4422

Best regards,

Jan

Hi

I don't know what VW did with the 130 PS model:
/viewtopic.php?t=4422#25573

I've actually made the exact same observation about the magical RPM, at which it starts to perform incredibly well.

I can easily drive my 1-bedroom car at 900 RPM across the parking lot

m;

So, my ASZ is anything but restricted... no matter where. Super Motor (yes, a slight kick in the gearbox at 1800 rpm... but that's why I have a turbocharged vehicle...)