DO they HAVE to give the friendly people the 7-digit PIN?

Despite my initial friendliness, they tried to get 100 euros out of me for...
I was going to log into my control unit, or they wanted to do it themselves.
Is there anything that can be done about this? Has anyone had any experience with it?
Best regards, Jaxx.

As far as I know, you won't receive a 7-digit PIN anymore because the code cannot be requested from VAG (Volkswagen Group), and therefore, the authorized dealer also cannot provide you with a code.

Best regards,
edz

Nobody has to do anything about it! Often, even the friendly customer service representatives can't access these codes anymore. It's quite a sensitive issue. That's why this kind of thing usually only works online, with connected control units or devices.

Often, it's the atmosphere that makes the music enjoyable, and sometimes, a little bit of 'Vitamin B' can help too.

Hi,

I'm working on a solution. Let's see what happens.

Best regards, Rainer.

hello,

@ Rainer K.

If anything comes up, I would definitely be interested!


Best regards,
Krissi

Do you know the number 123456789 or 123456789?


I always get an error message that says "Tacho not found" when I use the number 123456789.
Regards, Jaxx.


Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

"Edit: Censored due to illegal tools!"

Sorry, I didn't know!

Rainer K. wrote:

Hi, I'm working on a solution. Let's see what happens. Greetings, Rainer

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Hi.

Quote:

Speedometer tampering is becoming a criminal offense. Anyone who manipulates the speedometer in a car will have to face hefty penalties in the future. Federal Minister of Transport Manfred Stolpe announced today in Berlin, in consultation with Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries, an amendment to the Road Traffic Act. "Illegal modifications to the odometer can now be punished with a prison sentence of up to one year or a fine," said Stolpe. "We will also impose severe penalties on employees of workshops who, at the request of others, reset electronic odometers." Unlike in countries such as Switzerland or France, there have generally been no legal repercussions in Germany so far when vehicles were artificially made to appear younger with regard to their mileage. Schätzungen zufolge sind in Deutschland etwa ein Drittel aller Tachos manipuliert. Und nach Erkenntnissen des ADAC lassen sich diese Manipulationen fast nie nachweisen. Professionelle Tachofälscher verfügen inzwischen über Equipment, mit dem sich die Tacho-Mechanismen jedes beliebigen Fahrzeugs auslesen, Speichermodule in der Fahrzeugelektronik neu programmieren und anschließend auch noch alle Spuren der Manipulation verwischen lassen. The ADAC therefore demanded that the legislature create a criminal offense of "preparation for fraud" specifically for the manipulation of odometers, or expand the definition of "falsification of technical records" to include odometers. "Mit dem Gesetz schützen wir insbesondere Käuferinnen und Käufer von Gebrauchtwagen besser vor Übervorteilungen. Der Kilometerstand eines Kraftfahrzeuges ist schließlich ein ganz wesentlicher Punkt bei der Kaufentscheidung. Einschlägige Internetseiten werben sogar ausdrücklich damit, dass das Manipulieren am Kilometerzähler straffrei ist. Dem schieben wir jetzt einen Riegel vor", erläuterte Justizministerin Zypries. Sicherheitsexperten glauben allerdings nicht, dass sich der "Volkssport Tacho-Manipulation" einzig durch Strafandrohungen aus der Welt schaffen lässt. They are calling for a coordinated effort from the automotive industry and its suppliers to introduce mileage counters protected by cryptographic methods, which would only function in a specific vehicle."Only disclose information about kidneys and their data to authorized parties." Source: heise.de

I think it's very good. Frankly, I'm extremely frustrated that a business so obviously designed for fraud is growing and thriving without any restraint.
With the upcoming legal changes, the prices for cheating are likely to increase, making it financially unattractive in many cases.

On the other hand, this also means that the planned tool is no longer going to be developed.
Let's see if there's a middle ground we can find, because having to go all the way to Canossa (or VAG) every time for the PIN is just not sustainable. I think charging 100 euros for that is no less criminal than tampering with the odometer.

Best regards, Rainer.

Well, this design is so far removed from reality, it's like something from the ADAC. But...but I guess 'Maut-Stolpe-rer' doesn't have anything better to do.

It will probably hardly achieve anything, or nothing at all, that's my prediction...

Hi,

Sure, for a dealer with the corresponding vehicle sales volume, probably nothing will change, except maybe the selling price will increase by 50 Euros.

However, it might be beneficial for the many private sellers who can't simply adjust the mileage to show a lower number, say, 40,000 km, for just €50.

Best regards, Rainer.

It's important to also consider people who don't want to "go overboard," but simply don't have the money to contribute significantly to the profits of the Volkswagen Group.
Furthermore, it's more correct to reset the odometer to the original mileage after a replacement! Of course, the honesty of people plays a role here, but scammers don't care about laws or regulations anyway!
Best regards, Jaxx.

However, it might be beneficial for the many private sellers who can't simply adjust the mileage to show a lower number, say, 40,000 km, for just €50.


You think...? Then the mileage will simply be adjusted to offset the higher costs when selling. Instead of 5,000 km, it will be turned back to 15,000 km. It was like that before, it is like that now, and it will continue to be like that.

And? What did that achieve besides costing the taxpayer money?? *stolpe for 1. manned Mars mission*

Every trader is encouraged to use the testing tool whenever technically possible, and in doing so, they will no longer see the underlying code.

However, there is still a possibility, at least in the northern German region, to receive the codes with explanations via fax, for example, in case of system failure or a malfunctioning testing device!

Hi,

The 4-digit code can be read out using the diagnostic system. The 7-digit code is actually irrelevant because it can be calculated from the 4-digit code. Internally, only the 4-digit code is used anyway.

Regards,
Benjamin.

Hello,

@benmen

It is not possible to read this login code using VAG diagnostic tools.

Even with software like VAG-Com, it's not possible.


PS: But why is it four digits long??? Every login code is five digits long.

or are you referring to the four-digit key code? It's possible to retrieve that using a VAG diagnostic tool.





Only the codes for the combination and immobilizer systems can be read out using VAGDashcom. For example, this is useful for reprogramming keys.
But the tool costs 500 euros including the software and hardware!

Your statement: The 7-digit code is actually irrelevant because it can be derived from the 4-digit code. In any case, only the 4-digit code is used internally.

So far, that's correct, but each control unit has its own login code.
With the 7-digit code, it is possible to modify any control unit (essentially a universal code). However, this 7-digit code is only valid for one day, up to midnight, at VW/Audi.


best regards, kristian