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Post07-10-2019, 12:24    Subject: Slipping Clutch in Top Gears Quote

Hello everyone,
"The clutch in our DSG transmission in the Touran has been slipping in the forward gears for quite some time, especially when under heavy load. We've been trying to avoid those situations. However, it's gotten worse now, and an error message is being displayed, as shown in the Autoscan report."
We have an old quote from the Swiss importer for CHF 1998.
My questions are:
Is it sufficient to only replace the clutch, or should other parts be replaced/inspected at a mileage of 130,000 kilometers? For example, the dual-mass flywheel?
Is the cost of nearly 2000 for the clutch replacement normal?
It's a 7-speed DSG.

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Post08-10-2019, 6:28    Subject: Slipping Clutch: Troubleshooting & Repair Guide Quote

gnasch wrote:
see Autoscan


What does the car scan show?
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Post08-10-2019, 6:33    Subject: Car Scan: Diagnostics & Repair Quote

Apparently, the file didn't come through.



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Post08-10-2019, 13:32    Subject: Slipping Clutch in Top Gears Quote

The second clutch is responsible for the even gears. Since it's nearing its wear limit, those gears are slipping.
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Post08-10-2019, 14:18    Subject: Gangster: Definition, Meaning & Examples Quote

The car is now back at Amag.
"Due to the implausible error reported by the transmission control unit, they now want to disassemble the mechatronic unit and 'check if anything is jammed inside.' They want to do this for CHF 350 before they remove the entire transmission. When I pointed out that the clutch can only be replaced if the transmission is already removed, and it's likely a minor issue to disconnect the mechatronic unit in that case, the service advisor promised to call me back."

Question: Does anyone know what the "Gangsteller" error refers to?

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Post10-10-2019, 14:13    Subject: Bad News: Latest Updates and Analysis Quote

Now, the mechatronic unit has been disassembled, and shavings were found.
This indicates a mechanical defect in the transmission, and it will need to be disassembled (or replaced). This is said to be 'expensive,' but there are alternatives.
cannot yet provide a figure.
The car is 10 years old but has only 130,000 km (approximately 80,000 miles). Is a repair that reflects its age and condition reasonable?


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Post10-10-2019, 15:12    Subject: Slipping Clutch in Top Gears Quote

I think a repair is worthwhile if the rest of the vehicle is still valuable.

The question is: Which is more cost-effective? Repair or replacement? To determine this, you need a cost estimate for the repair.
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Post10-10-2019, 16:11    Subject: Wood Shavings: Uses, Benefits, and Types Quote

Ich weiss jetzt etwas mehr, ein Getriebe komplett im Austausch kostet beim Importeur CHF 5600.-, ohne alle Arbeit. This garage.
"It's been repaired to a very high standard, and unfortunately, they can't accommodate my request."



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Post12-10-2019, 10:07    Subject: Slipping Clutch in Top Gears Quote

For some series, the bearings had too much preload, which caused wear. Repairing is definitely cheaper, and it's a good idea to replace the bearing sleeves on the shift rods at the same time!
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Post12-10-2019, 10:11    Subject: Wood Shavings: Uses, Benefits & Buying Guide Quote

@chli1976Viewing profile: chli1976 Thank you for the information.
Next week, the transmission will be removed, and then we'll see more!

Best regards, gnasch.
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Post15-10-2019, 5:40    Subject: Slipping Clutch in Top Gears Quote

Hi.

In Germany, there are companies that repair transmissions, but it's not going to be cheap.
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Post17-10-2019, 17:29    Subject: Broken Down: A Comprehensive Guide Quote

Okay, so the transmission is now disassembled.
It appears that the starting point is determined after the differential.
has been chewed on. The other areas also have a little bit.
rough surfaces eroded away, probably due to...
Späne. Die Zahnräder sind m.E einwandfrei. DThe gearbox is...
now, at a gearbox specialist who is about 30km from me.
https://lasuzemecanique.ch/boite-a-vitesses/
He will be replacing all the bearings. He doesn't want to replace the bearing sleeves of the shift rods, as they are either broken or not, and ours are good.
Here are a few more photos:

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Post02-11-2019, 18:44    Subject: Final Report: Key Findings and Conclusions Quote

Yesterday, the transmission specialist finished replacing the transmission. I brought him the LukRepset 602 0002 00.6 that I had ordered in Germany from profiteile.de.
I got to watch him install the clutch. Today, my mechanic installed the transmission (thanks for the Saturday effort, Samir), and I drove 3km home with the transmission not yet adjusted. The clutch felt very aggressive in the first, second, fourth, and sixth gears, while it felt very soft in the first, third, fifth, and seventh gears. A lot of errors were cleared.
The initial setting /viewtopic.php?t=27262 was straightforward, and now the Touran rides smoothly, but the clutches slip under full acceleration. Hopefully, it will stay like this!
Here are a few more photos, along with the Autoscan results before and after the initial calibration.
Thank you to everyone who helped!
Best regards, gnasch.



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Post02-11-2019, 19:48    Subject: Slipping Clutch in Top Gears Quote

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