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vc Guest
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06-01-2006, 0:38 Subject: |
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The previous owner of my Ibiza had a chip tuning kit installed, and along with it – as it was a professional tuning job – a larger intercooler. The registration stated 81 kW instead of the original 66 kW, but there was only an invoice from the tuning shop for the installation of the intercooler; this was also the basis for registering the increased power. Basically, my conclusion is that it only matters that something performance-enhancing is registered, such as the larger intercooler. An expert will only look at whether a part is 'standard' or 'non-standard.' If it's already registered as 'non-standard,' they won't investigate further. Any statement about how much the power was actually increased by and through which measures is largely speculation and definitely not admissible in court. No expert would risk their reputation/license for that. Therefore, get something simple and easy to verify registered, and even a 20% increase in power will still be within the usual range of variation.
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fulda
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05-04-2006, 19:57 Subject: |
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vc wrote: | | However, there was only an invoice from the tuning shop for the installation of the auxiliary liquid cooling system (LLK) - this was therefore also the basis for the registration. |
Hello!
I think that when dealing with a larger LLK (Low-Pressure Coolant System), the expert will carefully examine all the other components - why? Well, a larger LLK is only necessary, as far as I know, when there are significant performance improvements...  The control unit can be checked quite easily, but would the injectors also be checked simply on suspicion? 
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Troubleshooter Guest
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06-04-2006, 23:40 Subject: |
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Otherwise, one could replace the checksum with a constant value - and in that case, no verification would be possible  .
Well, I would say that a VAG engine with a modified checksum will no longer make any sound, and tuning on some models would be easy if it weren't for the obstacle of the checksum.
Best regards,
Matthias.
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Arne Guest
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07-04-2006, 9:47 Subject: |
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Hi,
I have a question regarding (hopefully nonexistent) personal injuries – and these horror stories like 'You will have to pay for the rest of your life because of this disabled girl.' First of all, it must be proven that the accident would not have happened without the chip/control unit – and that is very, very difficult. Therefore, there must be a strong suspicion that the modification to the vehicle poses a risk to other road users... For example, increasing the horsepower from 110 to 145. Every lawyer could argue that, at the time of the accident, the vehicle was well below its maximum permissible weight, and therefore neither the brakes nor the rest of the vehicle were overloaded due to the increased power.
It's not quite that simple for an operating license to be revoked. Here's a court ruling – it doesn't directly relate to performance enhancements, but rather to an incorrect tire size:
http://www.kanzlei-hoenig.de/publikationen/05-erloeschen.html
Furthermore, the insurance company can only claim up to a certain amount – I mean, 5000 euros – from the policyholder, and that's it. So, there's no possibility of paying for life.
Does anyone know anything specific about those two things?
Regards,
Arne.
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kapernaum Guest
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18-04-2006, 13:23 Subject: |
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Furthermore, the insurance company can only claim up to a certain amount – I mean, 5000 euros – from the policyholder, and that's it. So, there's no possibility of paying for life.
Does anyone know anything specific about those two things?
Regards,
Arne
Hello!
I've already seen that '5,000 euro' thing three times on TV (segments in automotive magazines about the consequences of illegal tuning). The insurance company pays the full amount to the victim and then, as Arne described, recovers a maximum amount of 5,000 euros from their own insured customer.
To be honest, I can't imagine that, but installing illegal chip tuning would actually require intent (definition of intent: knowledge and will)  .
In my opinion, that would be just as bad as intentionally driving into a tree and then trying to get the damage covered by insurance.
If you look at how many 'illegal' 10 Powerboxes are being sold on platforms like Ebähhh, one would think that there must be something online about some poor soul who got caught up in exactly the described horror scenario  .
Greetings.
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Jericho Guest
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19-04-2006, 14:25 Subject: |
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As far as I know, the main problem with undocumented performance enhancements is that if they become known, it can create a loophole that an insurance company might try to exploit. I declared my aftermarket air intake system (PBox) and am now paying a higher liability premium in 2022.
'Isn't this box currently not registered with the insurance company? And if you are involved in an accident that requires a detailed inspection of the vehicle (and these are only Category 1 and 2 accidents - involving fatalities or serious injuries), the insurance company could refuse to pay out, claiming that the vehicle, with these specifications, is not insured with them. After all, what is the first document required when submitting a claim for insurance? The vehicle registration document. The insurance premium is calculated based on the data contained within it.'
If these data are changed retroactively, the contract may become invalid. That's what my insurance representative told me.
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