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I even have it in writing .

@julian:
That's why I no longer refuel at rundown, cheap gas stations. After a tanker driver once showed me what he does with excess fuel to avoid having to verschandeln the tanks, it became clear to me why my car was running so poorly with that cheap gasoline...
With a brand chain, the threshold is likely higher, and traceability through quantities is also simpler (if not even directly checkable online, thanks to ISO ).

CU Gremlin.

Um, Gremlin, I've recently become painfully aware that all (literally, all!) of the gas stations in my neighborhood are supplied by a single AVIA tanker. Even just one station always has the same vehicle number plate.
His clients include Aral, OMV, Shell, Agib, and Jet... furthermore... I am not aware of any specific brands that pay their drivers more because the tanker was cleaned more thoroughly.

I'm having a hard time believing your faith in brand-name quality, even though I'd like to... and my car has always run the same, regardless of where I get gas. Whether it's +45°C or -37°C...

Our gas stations are supplied by the company's main tanker trucks, such as those from Aral/BP or Shell, etc.
Only the budget gas station has all kinds of fuel tankers on site.

'And I'm not imagining the sputtering; others have noticed it too. My old car (let's call it my 'vintage grandpa box') emits such a strong and unpleasant 'rotten egg' smell when using cheap fuel (and this is reproducible!) that even colleagues and the neighbor have commented on it. It's never an issue with premium brand gasoline.'
The bike is particularly sensitive to poor quality fuel. This becomes especially noticeable when filling up with cheap gas abroad.

I once received a small amount of Mathy fuel additive as a gift. The engine was completely different on cold starts after using it. Additives are effective...
It would be worth investigating to what extent your Avia tanker is now distributing fuel. While the base fuel may be the same, the additives are likely different. Since each manufacturer claims something different, they must also demonstrably comply with those claims.
Just because it says 'avia' on it doesn't mean it necessarily has to be used exclusively for avia vehicles.

At the diesel pump, I can definitely report a different smell after switching from Aral to OMV (Aral actually smelled quite pleasant), and also more foam formation.
Shell foams up more than Aral.
So, something must be different after all.

It remains to be seen what will happen with the 5% rule and how well it will be enforced, especially at gas stations that also offer biodiesel. There, drivers are practically tempted to pour any remaining fuel from one tank into the other (if they weren't already doing so).

CU Gremlin.

Gremlins can confirm experiences with different fuel qualities.

Okay, I think none of us will feel a 5% increase... if this article even goes into effect... (it's debatable whether it will actually happen or not).

..no one would have noticed a difference .

Hi,

So, the problem isn't the 5% biodiesel in the fuel (that's been the case in Germany for a long time), but rather why those 5% need to be present in the first place.
I find this "eco-friendly" attitude utterly ridiculous. It's either all or nothing. I wouldn't mind if pure, untreated vegetable oil were added. However, I find it extremely problematic to mix in a fuel that was produced using an enormous amount of energy (from pure vegetable oil) and is also heavily subsidized.
We all pay for the subsidies with the taxes we pay (no matter what they are called). In addition, when BDs are added, the subsidy portion is not passed on to the end consumer. ... Wait a minute, I pay for the subsidies with my taxes, and yet someone is selling me that (subsidized) product at the same price as a non-subsidized product? ... So, as a businessman, I would call that fraud!
Finally, abolish the distorting subsidies. Then biodiesel would be so expensive that it wouldn't even be worth blending in! Perhaps then there would be a genuine interest from industry in plant oil technology. In particular, PD engines are well suited for this type of fuel (L. Elsbett's plant oil engine already used a similar principle 20 years ago). On various bodies of water in Germany, it is even mandatory to operate boats with plant oil (instead of diesel). Railway companies are converting their diesel locomotives to run on plant oil. This whole thing is by no means the fantasy of a few eccentrics!!!
Even by adding vegetable oil, I can bring the "biofuel percentage" of my total fuel consumption up to 5%. Unfortunately, there is no real European standard for vegetable oil. The standard for biodiesel (BD) was hastily introduced just in November.


Okay, now I've written down all my frustrations and vented.


P.S.: The 5% biodiesel content in diesel fuel, due to the blending with fuel "F", has always been permitted by Bosch.

Perhaps not in daily operation. But I think that even if it's only 5% or maybe a little more , it could and will affect the seals, etc.!

Perhaps the EU and Schröder are trying to stimulate the economy with this measure?

I will continue to refuel at ARAL in Luxembourg .

It has become more expensive again - 63.4 cents.

Does anyone know if they also include Blu-ray discs?

Okay, please provide the German text you would like me to translate into English. I will only provide the translation.

@Bertil
Your last post was very insightful; I completely agree with you.

Yeah, yeah, the subsidies...

Even for true biodiesel enthusiasts, it is difficult to explain that biodiesel is much more expensive than regular diesel fuel. Because if you factor in the taxes on diesel...

just a note about vegetable oil:

'Pure biodiesel vehicles are probably less practical for everyday use. What happens with a biodiesel car at -10°C? You either need to preheat it electrically or start it with diesel. The latter wouldn't make sense for me, because on the 12km commute to work, the TDI engine won't get warm enough to heat the biodiesel tank... It would be more suitable for long distances or stationary use.'

CU Gremlin.

Why not preheat a small tank with a few glow plugs? There are enough ways to make vegetable oil commercially viable. We've already achieved that with the diesel engine.

Best regards, WarLord.

"People who use heating oil often preheat it. They have a small heater in the supply line that probably heats the oil to around 70 degrees Celsius. I'm not sure if that works before a cold start."

Hello everyone!
There was an article in 'Mot Profi' some time ago about the addition of biodiesel to regular diesel, which I have uploaded. Basically, the context is that biodiesel has been tested for a while as an additive to improve lubrication. But please [url=http://www.domkurz.de/images/Unbenannt(1).gif]read it yourself.

Die ominöse Herkunft von Krafstoff, die verschiedenen 'Marken'... Nonsense!
I have information, from a fairly reliable source, specifically for the region of Bavaria and Southern Germany, that almost every drop of fuel comes from Ingolstadt. One of the major tanker transport companies, Hoyer, now uses almost exclusively completely white trucks, which are then labeled with the respective brand to be delivered. And the tanks of the vehicles are always properly cleaned and inspected (visual inspection) before being filled. This means that if someone gets dirty fuel, it's coming from the gas station itself. Either the underground tank is in a state of decomposition, or the rainwater drainage at the pumps has been shamefully neglected, allowing water to enter. What bothers me personally is this: Even though the fuel comes from the same transport company and the same refinery, here in Starnberg and within a 50 km radius, I actually have the option to choose between 'brand name' gas stations with a price difference of up to 5 cents/liter (!)... Customer deception .

Best regards,
Dominique.

Gremlin wrote:

...purebred dogs are probably less suitable for everyday life. What does a dog that's used to being walked in parks do at -10°C?

Even this is not a problem with proper planning of the construction. Currently available engines and peripherals are simply not designed for use with wood pellets.
Furthermore, there are methods and ways to keep molten salt (PÖL) in a liquid state even at low temperatures.
Adding 5% rapeseed oil to diesel (even though real rapeseed farmers might not like it) won't really change the flow properties at low temperatures. But does it *have* to be biodiesel? Just to fulfill the "bio quota"? I honestly have a problem with that.

Here's another thing: The actual diesel engine was originally a vegetable oil engine. Over time, it was converted into an engine that required fossil fuels. Now, however, people are trying to reverse this process... using very questionable methods...

Biodiesel isn't as 'bio' as it's often portrayed. Then there are the high subsidies for this fuel. It's essentially the same situation as with natural gas (although the dynamics are slightly different there). I'm open to discussing PÖL [presumably a type of biofuel], but not RME [another type of biofuel]. As you mentioned, why does the oil need to be 're-esterified' (and thus consume valuable energy in the process) just so it can be put into cars? If it's going to be biofuel, then let's do it properly.

Best regards, WarLord.

Hello everyone,

Okay, let's not overreact here. I myself am a victim of the 'Dieselgate' scandal, but only because I drove my old A4 for 25,000 kilometers with the modified engine.

An additive of 5%, as is the case in France, likely wouldn't be noticeable by the engines.
It has been working perfectly there for years. The car manufacturers have also stated that they would accept a blend of up to 10%.
(As Paracelsus said: 'The dose makes the poison.')

That tax money (specifically mineral oil tax) is being diverted to farmers who are supposedly suffering, especially at a time when the coffers are already more than empty, is something else entirely.
The fact that SPD, Greens, CDU, and CSU were all in agreement on this is a prime example of successful lobbying, the kind of political wrongdoing that has brought Germany to where it is today. We are not facing a pile of rubble anymore; we *are* the pile of rubble.

Ich glaube nicht dass es zu einer Verbilligung des Diesels kommt, weil ja PÖL ( Pflanzenöl) nicht unbegrenzt verfügbar ist.. Steigt der Verbrauch nur geringfügig über die Produktion, steigen die Preise rapide, bis die dann sinkende Nachfrage den Preis wieder drückt. ( sog. Markteconomics).

My first 'experiments' with ALDI sausages cost 60 pfennigs each; today they cost 70 cents!

It would only make ecological sense if farmers were required to use rapeseed methyl ester (RME) or sunflower oil (Pöl) for production, but definitely not subsidized diesel!
However, that is not mentioned.

Based on my driving experience, I can say that the engine runs much more smoothly and quietly. In fact, I even prefer the diesel version.

However, I would also find it most sensible to add 5% pure vegetable oil directly. This is also possible and is more effective and less aggressive than rapeseed methyl ester (RME).

In conclusion: I see it positively, even though it could be better.