Öldruck-Überwachung beim PD-Motor? | Posts 16+

Don't worry, you can forget about ASR, in my humble opinion.
.....I cannot confirm that.....I once turned it off while driving on a wet road.....the car is simply undrivable, even with 205 tires!!! The wheels spin in 3rd gear, and my engine is not even tuned!
......was luckily a winning streak for my Spanish [car/team/etc.] !!
......there was no more money at Seat for a glove compartment light or a trunk light......everything is dark .
Regards,
Monchi.

Hi Ulf,

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What kind of report are you expecting?

Okay, subjective opinions about running noises, etc., compared to the AFN... and all sorts of interesting remarks about how VW has been regressing since the Golf 3 (as you can see from the oil pressure issue).

However, the ASR (Anti-Slip Regulation) issue is strange... because, in reality, VW is perfectly capable of separating these functions, as can be seen in other examples (even my ASV has ASR+EDS, but not ESP). Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if it ultimately just comes down to a missing switch and a coding issue in the control unit.

The ASR doesn't require any hardware that the ABS doesn't already have.

With the EDS system, things are different because the actuator for brake intervention might be missing, but I'm not entirely sure about that either.

Best regards,

Jan.

Jan6K wrote:

Hi Ulf, Quote: What kind of report are you expecting? Okay, subjective opinions about running noises, etc., compared to the AFN... and all sorts of interesting remarks about how VW has been regressing since the Golf 3 (as one can see from the oil pressure issue).

Hi Jan,

The Polo is even more practical than the Golf in some aspects.
For example, I find the drawers in the (height-adjustable) seats to be clever and useful.
Or, attach a loop and hook to the trunk carpet (spare tire cover) and the rear shelf: hook the carpet in place, then remove the spare tire with both hands and load the flat tire, without the cover getting in the way. This is the simplest solution for a rare, but incredibly annoying problem.

The body sound tuning was also quite effective: Compared to the solid, satisfying sound of the Polo's doors and, especially, the tailgate, the G3 sounds downright tinny and cheap.

Changing the light bulbs in a Polo is probably just as much of a hassle as it is in a 6L Ibiza – you know, like the threads you find in the Ibiza forum... The Golf, on the other hand, is a dream in comparison.

The speedometer goes up to 260, but the actual top speed is 206 -> for me, the usual 220 km/h would have been sufficient.


And on the tailgate, there is TDI, just like on the ARL Golf 4.
Well, in terms of power-to-weight ratio and "torque-to-weight" ratio (based on the minimum curb weights), both cars are at the same level.

The lettering is coming off... let's see if I can find a "1.2" or "1.4" somewhere.
Looking inside the car, it's actually more believable (after all, a 260 km/h speedometer doesn't necessarily mean anything anymore, and the 6-speed gear pattern is easily overlooked) .

First impressions are coming soon...

Hey Ulf, my Golf also has that old, rusty thing in the trunk with the Benz logo on it too... but I really want those drawers... grrr.
My car, being a Dutch-made model, doesn't have ESP and has ASR and EDS separately, which is a good thing. If you engage the ASR switch in winter, it can be a real problem to drive the car. It also occasionally interferes while driving on wet roads. Fortunately, the wheels haven't spun out in third gear on a straight road yet (thankfully, it hasn't reached that point), but the ASR is still useful. As far as my experience with Dutch-made cars goes, all models with over 100 horsepower always have EDS, and diesel models always have ASR. Could it be that you simply don't have a switch for it, like in Mercedes (always on)?

With this solution, in my opinion, you can let a motor idle until it fails, without any warning, .

So, for example, if someone messes up an oil change and doesn't put in new oil, and then drives the car at low RPMs... -> goodbye, engine .




Hello Ulf,

I suppose the car should warn you if the oil level is low, as it should have a low oil pressure warning system. Didn't Autobil* or some other magazine once drive a Golf almost around Lake Constance without oil, and then eventually destroy the engine by giving it full throttle?

Why did you cancel ESP? Isn't that a PD? A PD doesn't need ESP, does it ?

Okay, I'm currently driving a G4 with ESP and I wouldn't want to be without it after almost 110,000 kilometers. You only need it occasionally, but anyone who has participated in a safety training course, for example with the ADAC, knows what it can do in a real emergency.
Furthermore, you wouldn't believe how quickly you can navigate a curve with something like that, for example, when taking a sharp turn; otherwise, it wouldn't be possible.
Especially now that you've ordered such a rocket, I'm a little surprised. But it still has airbags, right }?

Greetings.

Eike.

@Ulf:

Replacing the light bulbs in the 9N is relatively simple. Although the taillights need to be removed, this is still quite manageable thanks to the wing nuts. It's probably also easier than in the G IV, and in any case, the operating manual from 08/2003 included a special supplement that explained the process in detail.

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The body sound tuning was also quite effective: Compared to the solid closing sound of the Polo's doors and especially the tailgate, the G3 sounds downright tinny and cheap.

Sound tuning???
Just wait until you hear the dashboard on a rough road ... The center console rattles quite badly in all the 9N models I've driven so far. It started right after leaving the Autostadt, as you probably already know from the Polo forum.

Otherwise, I think the 9N is comparable to a (standard-insulated ) Golf III in terms of insulation, which I don't mind. The only thing is that slightly more road noise seems to penetrate the Polo through the door area. You somehow get the impression that the glass is thinner. This is purely subjective, but it has been reported more often in the Polo forum.

I hope that you will be spared from the typical 9N defects and that you will love this little rocket .

And of course, we expect to see ASZ-style modifications and tuning here. Knowing you, it won't take long.

Gremlin wrote:

The primitive evaluation circuits also have ASV and ALH. The switch is a normally closed switch (it connects to ground when "pressure OK"). If there is no oil pressure at approximately 1700 RPM, an alarm will be triggered. Here, it's easy to check; simply disconnect the cable and provide the speed. I suspect the reason for the return of the one-switch solution is simply money. Furthermore: millions of engines have absolutely no problems with this type of monitoring . I just wonder, "Why do they need two oil pressure switches? Could there have been a flaw in the engineering?" CU Gremlin

And I was wondering after the oil change why the oil pressure was immediately back. So it wasn't. Oh dear. I liked the nice feeling when the red LED went out after the oil pressure was restored. It gave me the feeling that I had done everything right.

mcgregg

eike wrote:

Why did you cancel the ESP? . . . Especially since you ordered such a powerful car, I'm a little surprised. But it still has airbags, right ?

Hi Eike,

In short, I have a deep-seated skepticism towards "always-higher" technology.

And ESP could have the power to turn the Polo into a pile of scrap metal at high speed in the event of a (unlikely, but not completely impossible) malfunction - if it believes, for some reason that doesn't actually exist, that it needs to intervene.

If I crash the Polo without ESP, at least I'll be mostly to blame ("most likely").

This thread has further reinforced my decision.

He actually still has airbags .

Driving quickly around a corner on a wet road with summer tires - once with and once without ESP - and then you'll never want to turn ESP off again.

By the way, if you happen to experience a malfunction (which is unlikely), simply turn off the ignition, and the ESP will also be deactivated.

Hi Emil,

Please read the entire thread that Ulf linked to – that's saying a lot about the claim that "there are no bugs."

"Turning off the ignition" is not a good idea when a car is skidding out of control (assuming you can even do that before you crash), because it will likely disable the ABS, and probably also the airbags (although I'm not entirely sure about the airbags).

Best regards,

Jan.

Okay, here's the translation:

"Even before the introduction of ESP, people drove cars, both with summer tires and winter tires, on both winding and straight roads. Personally, I don't need it, and it's important to remember the reason for its mass production at the time. There was a particular car model that was known to be afraid of moose."
So, if you know your car and are aware that you can't take turns at 200 km/h, then you can probably safely do without features like ESP.
I haven't missed it yet.

hi,

I don't want to fuel this discussion any further. In most cases, I have the ESP turned on, because I know my car very well (now, I'm sure the comments about safety training will start). I've tested the ESP and I believe I can handle driving without it. However, there are two things I would never want to miss: the ASR (traction control) and the ESD (electronic stability program). Especially as someone who tows trailers, I've come to appreciate these features. Even in the snow at home, it's practically the only car that can make it up the hill with the extremely poor snow removal services. With my old 35i, that would never have been possible!

Okay, at work we had a Golf IV 1.6 16V that had ESP, which also included ASR. I drove it (I once wanted to try how it behaves), laughed, turned it off (ESP is always off anyway), and adjusted my accelerator pedal to be 'even gentler.' I don't have that problem with my Passat 3A (thankfully) (just put the key in, turn it, and enjoy it - not the vibrations).

Best regards, WarLord.

Hi,

If one had to rely on ESP during normal driving, it would likely be a sign of poor quality in the vehicle or from the manufacturer. It's probably only truly valuable in sudden, extreme situations (e.g., evasive maneuvers on a wet road when a child runs in front of the car). At that point, it's unlikely anyone would be able to turn it on, even if it's available. I hope that those who drive with ESP turned off can live with the consequences...
If you ever find yourself in a situation where it's more of a hindrance (like having fun driving on an icy parking lot, for example), you can always turn it off.
I find it wrong to forgo such safety features on daily drives just to save a few euros (which you would have to deduct from the price when selling the vehicle later anyway).
I wouldn't buy a vehicle without ESP, especially since it's already standard equipment.
But everyone has to know that for themselves...

Greetings.

Eike.

@ eike,


"Of course, it certainly provides a safety benefit, but I think it's unnecessary to directly label people who drive vehicles without ESP as reckless. Have you ever driven a Ford Focus? What advantage does ESP offer in a compact car with such a great suspension? With it, you can easily avoid obstacles and maintain control as long as you follow the rules (like in urban areas with speed limits of 30/50 km/h). However, in a Golf, it seems to me that it should be standard equipment, because the factory-installed suspension, while preventing disc brake damage, unfortunately struggles a bit when encountering suddenly appearing deer. In my Golf, ESP was unfortunately not standard (it's a Dutch model). However, it has the VW sport suspension and 17-inch rims, which makes it a bit less comfortable to drive, although it's getting closer to the Focus, without, of course, coming close to its much more sophisticated rear axle."
You shouldn't forget that there are millions of cars without ESP, and I want to see the statistics on how many people ESP has actually saved. Based on the experiences shared in Ulf's thread, one might even wonder if ESP has sometimes *caused* accidents.
Perhaps even new drivers might think that ESP is a kind of autopilot, because it brakes so well, and forget that even with ESP, a car cannot defy the laws of physics.

"For my part, I can understand Ulf's perspective, although I haven't personally experienced a situation where it would have been necessary. What I find strange is that the Polo without ESP doesn't even have ASR (traction control)... and I definitely didn't want to do without that feature with 130 horsepower."

Hi,

I'll believe the ASR and EDS thing when Ulf has tried it out (meaning, when the car has been broken in a bit). Because, as the post by Gremlin in the ASR retrofit thread shows, "no EDS" doesn't necessarily mean there isn't any there.

Otherwise, I agree with Matthias, especially regarding the psychological impact of ESP.

In the Ibi forum, where many people drive the extremely fast 6L with the ASZ engine, there's a lot of talk about how some people are driving over 200 km/h on the highway at night, and some, with modifications, are even reaching speeds of around 230 km/h (which the long 6th gear makes possible).

I then started a survey about the dangers at night (wild animals, poor visibility), and many people believed that thanks to ESP, they could swerve to avoid a deer suddenly appearing at 230 km/h. Over half the respondents thought that the maximum speed at night was perfectly acceptable, and only about a quarter said they drove significantly slower at night (these are figures from memory, I'm too lazy to look them up).

IMO confirms that Matthias' words are very clear.

Best regards,

Jan.

P.S.: I'm deliberately not including a link to the thread because you can't read it without registering anyway. If you want to, just search for "Jan6K" and "Nachts mit 230" on www.ibiza-forum.de.