Erfahrungen Firma ******** Chiptuning??? | Posts 32+

You can imagine how much work is involved .


I wouldn't generalize like that.
There are certainly dozens of 'good' tuners who develop and work independently, and who do a perfectly good job.
Whether someone can offer a TÜV (German technical inspection) report or not is certainly not a measure of the quality they provide.
The pricing policy is something that each individual must decide for themselves, but it's clear that a single person can more easily afford to modify a single machine for €190 than a company that has to finance employees and business premises.

Regards,
Matthias.

ObenbeiMutti wrote:

I just want a factory file, a good

But if your clutch is already reaching its limit with the standard power output...
Okay, I'm ready. Please provide the German text you want me to translate.
Then she will definitely be overwhelmed by a "works file" (or "manufacturing file").

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And every Tom, Dick, and Harry, or so-called... Tuners can now, with varying degrees of luck, intelligence, or insider sources, try to obtain the original file for a considerable price, and the home tuner sells it for 1200

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How do you conclude that *** actually has access to the most confidential areas of VAG's engine development?

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They are definitely sitting on a shelf at VW, and then, in a typically German fashion, 30% was simply subtracted from the safe design limit, and a neutered engine was then sold.

... which would likely overload the rest of the powertrain in typical "applications" if you push it to its limit -> see your clutch or my vibrations even with only about 14% torque increase.

. . . which would likely overload the rest of the powertrain in typical 'applications' if you push it to its limit -> see your clutch or my vibrations with only about 14% torque increase.

He is right...

What we can learn again:

Skillful/sophisticated tuning, of course, costs a few euros.
And to add to the question that almost makes me sick – why a TDI file that has been sold 100 times shouldn't cost more than €100 – remember that the company has to pay its employees, rent, utilities, and other expenses 365 days a year. Those who don't want to pay for it should familiarize themselves with '10-cent tuning' by reading the relevant articles in this forum.

Regards,
Matthias.

ObenbeiMutti wrote:

But precisely because, as it's rumored, only the "usual 8 parameters" are modified in his file, and because he, for a good reason, won't let it go beyond 375 Nm (he's smart, reasonable, and a proper workshop tuner), and yet he charges 1200! € for it , that's what makes me hate it.

Hi ObenbeiMutti,

"Everything has already been said about chip tuning... but perhaps for reassurance:"

To improve performance on the engine control unit (ECU), a maximum of 6-8 maps are typically required, depending on the engine. More than that is not beneficial. That's not the art.

The difficulty always lies in the "how" - for example, one could guess or copy, develop something independently, measure and research, or simulate. Alternatively, one could defeat the three giant dogs in Wolfsburg and steal the data, or read fortunes from coffee grounds, or consult with Dr. [Name/Title]. Summer questions...

The result is always the same:
A compromise that balances performance, emissions, durability, noise, and fuel consumption.

Those who possess the necessary knowledge and skills can naturally achieve a more favorable compromise for individual properties than those who rely on guesswork and trial and error. The necessary technology and knowledge about physics are essentially available to everyone; it's not a secret, and you don't need any connections in Wolfsburg. It always comes down to what someone is willing to invest and what level of quality they want to achieve.
What price, however it is defined, one can demand or be allowed to demand for the product in question is truly a biblical question with cross-societal, socio-economic, ethical, cultural, operational, and economic relevance that does not deserve a simple answer .

Unfortunately, there's no "Columbus's egg" solution when it comes to improving performance.

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I just want a factory file, a good

You already have the potential for performance, based on my observations of your tuning experience, even with the stock engine control unit.


* of course, there are exceptions, or rather... Special cases.

ObenbeiMutti wrote:

I've been thinking about it for weeks (it probably took them months at AFN ). Who is the right person? Who is competent and affordable, etc., etc.

Probably, there will never be a definitive answer to that question because! I've also been trying to find the "right" tuner for several months now, and I've had closer contact with various tuners in the process. There will likely always be a certain risk involved (who creates the files, where does the tuner get them, etc.) - and as someone else mentioned here, just because someone claims to offer less power doesn't necessarily mean that the tuning is gentler on the engine!
Perhaps you could send me a list of your favorites and the reasons behind your choices via private message?

Thank you .

@blue

Sorry, I'm a complete beginner, and I'm probably overstepping my bounds by offering any advice.
Please don't be angry with me, but I'm not taking the blame for this; I was the only one who was bluffing.
Max. Safety, but highest performance and good chance of durability -> *** or similar.
Sure, here is the translation of the text from German to English:

'Min.'

This is a common abbreviation for 'minute' in English. It is often used in contexts such as:

* Time: 'The meeting will be held at 2:00 PM.'
* Measurements: 'The diameter of the pipe is 10 inches.'
* Data: 'The average temperature for the month of July is 75 degrees Fahrenheit.'
* Other contexts: 'The company's profits increased by 5% last year.' Safety, but small size and a good chance of engine failure -> suitable for parking lot tuners, etc.
In between, there's a gray area...

@bafische, I feel the same way.


@troubleshooter,


Skillful/sophisticated tuning, of course, costs a few euros.
And to add to the question that almost makes me sick – why a TDI file that has been sold 100 times shouldn't cost more than €100 – remember that the company has to pay its employees, rent, utilities, and other expenses 365 days a year. Those who don't want to pay for it should familiarize themselves with '10-cent tuning' by reading the relevant articles in this forum.


I see things differently; I've even had disagreements with Rainer about it. Since I honestly admit I don't know much about it, I won't contradict you, but my opinion is fundamentally different... not just regarding 'chipping,' but it's a fundamental question concerning societal structures, political systems, and economic systems. There will never be a perfect world. But I won't support his fancy showroom with a Saeco coffee machine and bikini girls, just so he can withhold knowledge that should be freely available.

Then we'll all go back to university again... One person studied mechanical engineering, another physics, the next embedded programming, and the next is a skilled tradesperson.

Then we work together and do things for ourselves, and that works well until one person wants to take advantage of the other, because their contribution is more valuable... etc. etc.
Then we are where we are...

@Ulf


...which would likely overload the rest of the powertrain in typical 'applications' if you push it to its limit -> see your clutch or my vibrations even with only about 14% torque increase.


I am quite surprised by this clutch, which, according to more or less credible reports, is also inadequate in the original model and already fails there.

This should be a tragic isolated incident within the VAG group .
The naive manager always thought that in DTL, every technical 'thing' was marked up by 30%.

In a way, the clutch acts as a 'weak point' designed to fail and prevent more significant damage, which is a great feature – three thumbs up. I would rather save the more expensive powertrain.
You'll look silly if the 'ears' of the paraglider stay behind during a winch launch because you used a 'white' one.
instead of using a used black coupling.


How do you come to the conclusion that *** actually has access to the most sacred areas of VAG engine development?

On the contrary.
So, you assured me on the phone at ***, almost in a way that was embarrassing and hurtful , that they work and develop completely independently.


It is often said that everything in the world has its reason for being. The expensive tuner, just like the 'free pirate copy' from your circle of friends, plays a role in the system, and everyone has their part to play.
It is probably ethically and morally questionable to file a lawsuit in either direction, as one should believe in a form of 'evolution' even in human-social contexts, and, according to Darwin, the 'fitter' ones survive.
Whether it's because some people buy the expensive stuff, or even 'dumber' people ruin their engines and knock themselves out of progressing in other areas of their materialistic 'evolution.'

Have a nice day.

ObenbeiMutti wrote:

But I won't fund his fancy showroom with a Saeco coffee machine and bikini girls, for knowledge that should be free, which someone is withholding from me.

As soon as certain knowledge can be monetized, there will always be "interested" people who will ensure that it remains secret.
If you find this so awful, why don't you just change sides, become a chip tuner yourself, and share your knowledge freely with the public once you've recouped your investments .

There are definitely also smaller tuning shops with real expertise and without fancy showrooms, etc. You just have to look a little longer to find them.

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I am unpleasantly surprised by this clutch... This should be a tragic isolated incident within the VAG group.

No, the clutches on the 74 kW motors often can't handle the torque for very long.

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Over the phone, at ***, you almost embarrassingly and offensively assured me that they work and develop completely independently.

I think so too.
Ultimately, like with any other tuner, a *** tuning voids the factory warranty. However, *** provides its customers with a warranty that covers the same conditions as the original factory warranty.
This naturally gives him a subtle "in-house tuner" bonus that he can capitalize on... he'd be foolish not to, because with the well-known reliability of the VAG group, he'll also have significant expenses for warranty claims on customer vehicles, something that other tuners don't have to worry about.

But I won't support his fancy showroom with a Saeco coffee machine and bikini girls, just so he can withhold knowledge that should be freely available.



Is that a good starting point for a discussion?

I don't quite understand why this knowledge should be free. Each of us, or at least most of us, have acquired knowledge in order to earn money from it. 'I believe it's perfectly reasonable from an economic standpoint to invest in development, research, and various tuning systems (BDM, CSW, AllCar Racing, Flashbooster, SPI, Race2000, etc.), and to be compensated for the performance gains achieved through these investments.'

Furthermore, you also contribute to the funding of Aldi's stores and employees, and you are not only paying for the actual value of your breakfast roll.

Regards,
Matthias.

... so he continues to dream of a 'Starship Enterprise-like utopia' where no material or existential hardship forces people to wage a ruthless capitalist war....

When will the diesel engine with the continuously variable control system in the dashboard be available, allowing drivers to freely choose between 75 and 180 horsepower, depending on their preference for performance and fuel consumption?

I certainly don't want to offend anyone who has invested a lot of time and effort into developing a...
They want to invest in a verschandeln product, whatever form that may take, and then be appropriately rewarded for it.

Volker Pispers once said:
'We, as consumers, always want the widest possible selection, but without any risk or differences. Whether it's Lenor or Persil, Seat, Skoda, Audi, or VW, or Fairy Ultra, Pril, or Palmolive, or Villa Riva or Villa Bacho, we want maximum choice with minimal risk.'

Only, you can't convert that to chipping .

Who hasn't stood helplessly in the supermarket aisle, staring at a 10-meter-long shelf of toothbrushes, and wondered what the point of it all is? Should I take a continuing education course to learn how to properly choose my toothbrush? High-density bristles, X-Cross bristles, lamellae, soft outer bristles, rounded bristles with numerous ball/feather joints...

At the end, I'll probably buy brushes from 'Tipp Toll' or Aldi, as they are good value for money.

but definitely don't do that when it comes to chipping, it has to be the Dr.-Abst setting.
Calgon is somehow mixed in with the files..., ice buildup in the engine, not related to weather insulation...

Upstairs, Mom is fed up with capitalism. The female dentist recommends...
Just drive it with the standard configuration (sounds like a complaint).

but definitely don't do that when it comes to chipping, it has to be the Dr.-Abst setting.
Calgon is somehow mixed in with the files..., ice buildup in the engine, not related to weather insulation...

Upstairs, Mom is fed up with capitalism. The female dentist recommends...
Just drive around with the standard equipment (sounds like a complaint).

I think we're talking past each other.
The fact is:
The minimal equipment needed to 'chip' a 'ridiculous' 1.9 TDI (programmer, socket, e*** file, soldering iron) costs not much more than 700-800 euros (each being the 'Aldi' version).

The actual technologies needed to optimize a large proportion of vehicles on our roads (cars, trucks, buses, tractors, motorcycles) cost tens of thousands of euros. However, Saeco machines, bikini girls, or a performance testing facility are still not included.

What I'm trying to tell you is:
God gave us free will. Therefore, you can decide whether you want to:
a) continue driving with the standard power output.
b) you turn to someone who has knowledge of the subject matter.
c) you take the shortcut.


Regards,
Matthias.