| Wie oft glüht Ihr bei Kälte vor? (Trennung VEP CR und PD beachten) |
| Einmal vorglühen reicht völlig, danach geht der Motor sofort problemlos an - VEP |
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39% |
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| Einmal vorglühen reicht völlig, danach geht der Motor sofort problemlos an - CR |
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8% |
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| Einmal vorglühen reicht völlig, danach geht der Motor sofort problemlos an - PD |
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42% |
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| Ich muß zwei- bis dreimal vorglühen damit der Motor ohne langes Orgeln zügig startet - VEP |
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3% |
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| Ich muß zwei- bis dreimal vorglühen damit der Motor ohne langes Orgeln zügig startet - CR |
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0% |
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| Ich muß zwei- bis dreimal vorglühen damit der Motor ohne langes Orgeln zügig startet - PD |
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3% |
[ 2 ] |
| Ich muß mehr als dreimal hintereinander vorglühen und der Motor startet nur sehr widerwillig - VEP |
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0% |
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| Ich muß mehr als dreimal hintereinander vorglühen und der Motor startet nur sehr widerwillig - CR |
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0% |
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| Ich muß mehr als dreimal hintereinander vorglühen und der Motor startet nur sehr widerwillig - PD |
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1% |
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Hutfahrer Schrauber


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24-11-2010, 12:55 Subject: |
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The price increases are, of course, pure coincidence and have nothing to do with anything...  We actually had very little frost, and if we did, it was only a few degrees.
The highest price reached on Mondays was €1.339 per liter of diesel. At the same time, gasoline was only 11 cents more expensive. Overall, the price difference has narrowed again. The worn-out price of 1.199 EUR per liter of diesel yesterday suggests that the fuel was practically being given away there...  Automobile Zeitzeugen: |SUZUKI Swift Sport (2008)| |Smart 450 (2002)| |Kymco Heroism 125 (1997)| |
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matthiasTDI96 Profi-Schrauber

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24-11-2010, 13:16 Subject: |
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Hutfahrer wrote: | | The price increases are, of course, pure coincidence and have absolutely nothing to do with anything... |
...that was the main idea I wanted to convey with my statement...but it's about the PRE-HEATING! |
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Deus Violentia Schrauber

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24-11-2010, 13:21 Subject: |
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Cool, that means I don't have to pre-heat anymore at -20°C, because then I wouldn't be able to afford the diesel to drive anyway  . BKD GRF
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Hutfahrer Schrauber


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24-11-2010, 13:47 Subject: |
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We start celebrating New Year's Eve in the afternoon with some pre-party festivities...
B. t. w.: The 170 hp CR-TDI engine in the 3C only caused the glow plugs to briefly light up the day before yesterday and yesterday. It didn't matter whether the temperatures were +8 or +2 degrees. However, it might also remind the driver to be patient with a longer-lasting glow plug, and in the background, it will simply do what it deems necessary. Or what?! Automobile Zeitzeugen: |SUZUKI Swift Sport (2008)| |Smart 450 (2002)| |Kymco Heroism 125 (1997)| |
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Roger Profi-Schrauber


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24-11-2010, 15:50 Subject: |
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Hutfahrer wrote: | We start New Year's Eve in the afternoon with the pre-party...  |
Quote: | | By the way: The 170 hp CR-TDI engine in the 3C only caused the glow plugs to briefly light up the day before yesterday and yesterday. It didn't matter whether the temperatures were +8 or +2 degrees. However, it might also remind the driver of something with a longer-lasting glow plug, and in the background, it will simply do what it considers right. Or?! |
Is that the CR version from 3/2008?
My machine only shows me the spiral briefly, and I strictly follow the operating manual, starting it up as if it were an Otto engine. Gruß
Roger
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Hutfahrer Schrauber


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24-11-2010, 16:14 Subject: |
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I suppose so. I didn't remove the dining table. I just tipped the windshield washer fluid container over. Should it be a PD? How can I tell? Where is the vehicle identification number (VIN) located? Then we'll know for sure. I hope it's still here tomorrow! I guess I'll have to go back to FF eventually... Automobile Zeitzeugen: |SUZUKI Swift Sport (2008)| |Smart 450 (2002)| |Kymco Heroism 125 (1997)| |
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matthiasTDI96 Profi-Schrauber

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24-11-2010, 16:28 Subject: |
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MKB stands for...
1. on the timing belt cover.
2. In the spare tire well (production label).
3. in the service booklet (production label).
It is definitely not a PD, at most it's a PPD. The CR can be easily identified on the high-pressure pump,  , which can at least be inferred by "looking to the left."
Otherwise, the following might also work:
PPD oil filler neck positioned more "centrally".
CR oil filler neck located closer to the timing belt.
The diesel supply line for PPD and PD engines routes under the cover at the location where the pump is situated in CR engines.
Well, essentially, the pump is a telltale sign.
As I recall, the plastic cover should just be snapped into place. If you lift it up, it will be even easier. First, you would see the pump and the high-pressure lines leading to the nozzles. Both the PPD and the PD have a smooth, closed valve cover. |
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T3Surfer Profi-Schrauber

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24-11-2010, 23:38 Subject: |
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Unfortunately, I can only click once  .
T3 Bully with a 1Z glow plug; starts well even in temperatures down to -10 degrees Celsius.
Toledo with ARL, generally, I'm having issues with the glow plugs.  All the glow plugs are now defective; these are the original ones with 297,000 km. Cold start without glow plug preheating: below 5°C, it rumbles for about 2-4 seconds, then it runs smoothly.
Winter 2008/9 on the Katschberg mountain in Carinthia, Austria, at -23°C without any auxiliary heating. ONLY ONE functioning glow plug requires 20 seconds before it even ignites, and it sputters and the RPM increases very slowly with a lot of smoke and sputtering. After another 30 seconds, it slowly starts to run.
Will it then run normally, without any issues? Not suitable for starters and batteries  .
I need to install new coolant pumps just in case the fuel pumps fail.
Similarly, with the Golf TD at -29°C in Lapland/Finland, it wouldn't start despite a fully functional cooling system and a brand new battery, and even with Finnish -35°C diesel. It only started running after using a powerful starting fluid.  NA,Gehörlose wie ich können auch Schrauben! Ihr HÖRT ich FÜHLE! T3 TD EX-JX Jetzt 1Z mit 122PS und Renaultgetriebe Golf II TD Bj 84 512Tkm Passi 35I 1Z 468Tkm--> Seat Toledo AHF-- Toledo ARL 477Tkm mit Spritspartuning  99er T4 Syncro-Cross 100800km grad eingefahren |
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dieselmartin Profi-Schrauber


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25-11-2010, 0:00 Subject: |
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Matthias, the center oil cover is only for the BKD/BKP engines (140 HP 16V).
The BMR is located to the left of the ZR.
ALL intake manifolds are currently being simulated, if they have any.
Four gray humps on top.
CRs are weird.
I am sorry, I cannot access external websites or specific files online. Therefore, I am unable to translate the text associated with the provided URL. Transparency, Teamwork
... there was another T.
I don't know what the f*ck it was.
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Hutfahrer Schrauber


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25-11-2010, 7:43 Subject: |
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Hmmm... The Passat is gone.  A colleague took it to FF yesterday. I hadn't checked beforehand, of course.
EDIT: Those who are interested in the weather should take a look at the weather maps on www.wetteronline.de for December 1st...  Automobile Zeitzeugen: |SUZUKI Swift Sport (2008)| |Smart 450 (2002)| |Kymco Heroism 125 (1997)|
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matthiasTDI96 Profi-Schrauber

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25-11-2010, 9:03 Subject: |
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Okay, so it remains the high-pressure pump, which is still a fairly reliable indicator  ...for next time... |
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jarobaldu Profi-Schrauber

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25-11-2010, 10:38 Subject: |
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I'd like to share my experiences with the Golf (1Z):
Last year, in temperatures of -17°C, my car only started after struggling through three "pre-heating" attempts.
I then re-measured the glow plugs: all 4 were dead (infinite resistance and no reaction when tested at the battery).
For that, I still found the starting behavior to be okay  .
Mileage: 340,000 km
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matthiasTDI96 Profi-Schrauber

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25-11-2010, 10:49 Subject: |
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The three pre-glow attempts were then rather pointless  . |
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jarobaldu Profi-Schrauber

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25-11-2010, 10:54 Subject: |
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That's why I also put "Vorglühen" in quotation marks  .
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25-11-2010, 11:09 Subject: |
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I want to try that too.
Regarding the VEP-TDI: ACV, see signature; mileage at the time: approximately 155,000 km; lowest temperature: -26°C.
After three pre-glow cycles, the engine started with the starter motor after 2 seconds. Initially, it ran on only 4 cylinders for 1-2 seconds. After that, it ran smoothly, but emitted a bit of white smoke for the first 500 meters and made a noticeable clacking sound.
Below 5°C, there is no preheating required, and it starts immediately. A single glow is sufficient to start the engine, even in temperatures down to -15°C.
Regarding the PD-TDI: ARL, see signature. Mileage at the time: approximately 68,000 km. Lowest temperature: -15°C.
After the initial flash, there was a very small puff of white smoke, which dissipated within 2 seconds. The nail was clearly visible for approximately 5 seconds.
Below 0°C, there is no preheating required, and it starts immediately. It is rarely started when the temperature is below 0°C because it is essentially a summer vehicle.  MfG. Michael
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Deus Violentia Schrauber

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30-11-2010, 13:07 Subject: |
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offtopic:
The long memorial minute of the AHF, as it turned out this morning, was related to the fuel tank venting.  Thanks to Ulf's article, I figured it out and I tried it by leaving the fuel cap off, and sure enough - abracadabra.  BKD GRF
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