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Post26-10-2010, 11:40    Subject: Quote

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. . . that their visually often quite stylish works of art are either completely unusable, perform significantly worse than OEM products, or, due to life-threatening driving characteristics, put inexperienced drivers in danger. Some people only become aware of this when they realize that their un-sprung chassis immediately fails during the standard test "Avoiding an obstacle on a slippery road" and cannot be regained by the driver.
Now just say that these kamikaze suspensions (partially?) are approved/registered by testing organizations?


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High-legged, soft, and swaying obstacles require intensive practice. You need to be able to understand and train with the inherent movements of the obstacle.
...in order to overcome the fear and learn that swaying doesn't necessarily mean taking off into the terrain?

I'm increasingly wondering why the 6L Cupra ended up with such a harsh, factory-standard suspension setup, when it could have been just as precise with a slightly softer setting (a "sport" tuning) and even relatively flat 45-profile tires (in my opinion).
Was war all das nur eine Marketingstrategie, um das Publikum anzusprechen, das "hardcore" mit "cool" gleichsetzt?
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Post26-10-2010, 12:02    Subject: Quote

"Ulf, hardly any inspectors actually do a test drive during an inspection! The requirements are minimal: sufficient ground clearance, proper wheel function, use of approved components, and compliance with the wheel rolling circumference, or, if necessary, documented correction of the speedometer reading. Since the introduction of ABS and ESP, the wheel rolling circumferences have been the same on both axles. There's really not much else to check!"

It's all the more problematic that the sometimes life-threatening suspension settings of some amateur tuners often go unnoticed for a long time, or at best, the driver might only be alerted by an ESP system that intervenes far too early. Ideally, the suspension settings, tires, and ESP should work together, with the ESP intervening late and only making subtle adjustments. The earlier the ESP actively participates in the driving process, and the more aggressive the interventions, the worse the overall concept. Unfortunately, many manufacturers now tend to use the ESP in a way that prevents the vehicle from being "brought back to life" in the first place.

Example? Try driving a current Smart... ESP intervention with every sharp turn, preventing a quick 180-degree turn on a two-lane road. The car could, if it were allowed to! icon_twisted.gif

Regarding the Cupra, I suspect that the "marketing" aspect is behind the very stiff suspension. The buyer is interested in a sporty small car, and they want value for their money! That's how you end up combining features based on what is perceived or demanded by potential customers.
Automobile Zeitzeugen: |SUZUKI Swift Sport (2008)| |Smart 450 (2002)| |Honda CB 125 F (2018)|


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